the head of the monster must be removed

No way under Tomlin,the steelers would a passing chart like that even if Pickens was still in Pittsburgh because Tomlin hate the middle of the field like crazy.

 

Meh. I’m numb to it anymore. A hot start just like the Penguins and then age will catch up with the team. All Pittsburgh teams are closer to the Current Pirates than the 70’s Steelers, 79 Pirates and 90’s Penguins. We’re just a small market franchise in all sports while the elites have something to toy with. The old City of Champions has crumbled to ruins and now is mostly a farm system for other teams to pluck from. Tomlin will be around for two more years even if he loses out. Once he is gone another mid tier coach will replace him and run the team the exact same way. The formula has now been placed and the recipe for extended tenure has been laid. This will always be a Rooney owned franchise and the demand for excellence was buried a long long time ago. Somewhere the Chief and Dan are spinning rapidly in their graves. See ya next Sunday.

 

Well, starting with the OP. I can vouch personally that Mr. Rooney is not happy.
But it more of a how he perceives what needs to happen.
It cannot be a "Back to the drawing board"

So, I want to reflect a major bungle, and I hate doing so cause Mashburn has harped on it.
I focus on the front office because they are not empowered enough or are not doing their jobs and that can be seen in Pickens bomb.
But it is just not just Pickens.
The Pickett affair and the just QB in general AND WR.
This should be termination for that bunch straight away.

I cannot stress enough that GM and Coaching must be on the same page.
Scouting falls under GM, Talent acquisition and players must fit the system and there has to be game impact players added.
If coaching fails, as in the Pickens scenario... then coaching is a problem, and the GM has to be empowered to have that discussion.
QB and WR there is just no excuse for.
There's also the question of timing of when it is time or the situation arises that you need to make the tough calls.

The loss to Chicago is a torpedo in the side, no doubt. We were unable to rise to the challenge.
We saw the bad side of Rudolph. I don't think he was horrible, just a backup.
Also, I now really question our OC. If the run is working, keep running the ball. I would have ran Gainwell and Warren 50 times.
That motion thing was working great and then they just stopped doing what worked.

I don't fire anyone now, there's no sense in it.
But 2 minutes after the final whistle, I start having those conversations.
I think Omar would be re-positioned to Cap, or maybe College Scouting or let go
Wiedl would be GM - Immediately start scouring teams for an innovative young coach who can run this football team and is not afraid of changing his staff around.

Did anyone notice like I did, that Defense alignment at the goal line when the Chicago RB went in for the Td?
That front line had 3 down linemen.. Austin is a guy I would run out of town today.

Bottom line, we've got cobwebs and out system is smelling of mothballs and old ways.
But looking at the big picture, Goodell has watered down the NFL in it's entirety. 17 games is too much, 18 is nuts. The other country crap is nonsense.
The rules are totally favoring offense. The officiating needs to be addressed - Get them full time, subject them to some consequences and pay them right.
It's a lot of problems and I for one, have no answers but to be successful, you have to figure out how to work the system.

 

IMO, Khan is not the problem. His drafts have been solid. If Jones pans out, they have been fantastic. Giving up draft capital for a slightly better chance to win a playoff game is exactly why they can't escape mediocrity.

Everything revolves around getting their franchise qb on the roster. Maybe Howard is it. Maybe they make a move in April. Until it happens, the clock can't reset.

 

His drafts have been decent...I agree he's not the issue. That said, I don't trust this staff to develop a QB. My opinion is we won't have a franchise QB until the staff changes.

 

Unfortunately, his drafts have not been 'fantastic' but rather mediocre.
Jones was a no-brainer that feel into his lap. Not one is an impact player...
His free agent work is just terrible with a few exceptions like Duggar.

Being an effective GM does not mean trading away resources. You're right, that's a losing proposition.
BUT

1. Using your resources: Knowing when it is time to let players go and recomp picks or players, knowing how to manage that cycle is big time important.
2. Picking players that impact the game. Goes without saying.
3. Managing the cap
4. Feeding the coaching system with players that fit.
5. Knowing when the coaching system is not working (IE Pickens.)
6. There are times when you team is need, you got out and get those players. The failure to acquire a WR is almost unanimously recognized across the NFL as a major blunder.
7. Knowing when it's time to adjust the coaching staff. Yes Tomlin has some power but ultimately winning is the goal and enforcing some staff adjustments does fall into the GM's purveyance but really, he and the coach should be on the same page.
and etc......

Finding the QB is the root of building a team that can win.
It is very elusive.
But when you get him, keeping him upright and clean as well as proving weapons and the right coaching is also part of the plan for success.

 

It's the same picture.

Every season.

Only Milque-toast Rooney can change it.

When and IF Tomlin fails to win a playoff game this season, it will be the 15th time he has failed to win ONE playoff game, while winning a playoff game in only 4 seasons - he's hitting 4-19 or .210.

Let that sink in, that's the record of an elite HOF-to-be Head Coach apparently....

 

I agree with your analysis. You can't argue it, because we see the results.

Khan isn't in the same class as a Howie Roseman, but he has yet to pick his own Head Coach and draft a franchise QB. Those are the main benchmarks to judge a GM.

 

I would offer Weidel the Gm job. and fire the rest of the staff if Weildel doesnt want the job then he can leave as well.. Nothing wrong with going back to the drawing board if nothing is working

 

I agree.
The GM role must have accountability. And he/she must be on the same page as the coaching staff and also must have some say in the coaching performance.
If they can't coach legit players, then improvement is needed.

I think our system is broke down top to bottom.

 

Khan needs to be judged when he's got a HC who isn't still coaching in 1983.

 

I want to see the Steelers pass chart --like you had of the Cowboys --I need a good chuckle

 

If you are all correct.....


The owner is terrible
The GM is terrible
The turf is terrible
The coaches are terrible
The defense is terrible
The offense is terrible
Renegade is terrible
Scouts are terrible
Draft picks are terrible
Boz is golden

 

I can appreciate the tongue and cheek....
I think an improved GM, New coaching and mostly the same players (a few are exceptions) and you can win and start the build of something very good.

 

You forgot the fans and the concession stands although they go hand in hand at the beginning of the 3rd qtr.

 

I think the Steelers are trending up because of Khan.

I count 4 players in the starting lineup who are in their prime, only 2 of which were drafted by the Steelers. That's on Colbert and Tomlin.

 

This dude has old tweets saved on his account just to post on here

 

I predict we won't lose a playoff game this year.

 

It has already been reported that Ownership is "Frustrated" with Mike Tomlin as it is. That said, I am with @groutbrook, @Blast Furnace, @KnoxVegasSteel, @Lambert and @HeinzMustard collectively. I will believe it when I see it. As it stands currently?! Season's still in play and there are six games remaining.


Only way that there is real change is if the Steelers suffer a complete collapse. The team did so last season. They have also did so in 2023. Who's to say history cannot repeat itself. If this recent story is to be true by Ray Fittipaldo, then it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

 

That's my big beef with all the HOF talk. The only way he makes the HOF is due to his ability to endure and be mediocre for sooooooooo long. His greatest claim to fame? Do nothing significant for two decades while holding on to his job with almost a ZERO hot seat. Amazing. I'll give him his due for that alone, how he has duped Rooney and Co and all the media for so, so long. So, he's an HOF coach with his only achievement NOT getting fired when he should have 100 or 200 games earlier. THAT my friends is what, apparently, may pass for an HOF coach. My advice, should Tomlin be annoited down the road, skip the HOF, its a freaking laughinstock and a joke. It's like the Nobel awards, with only achievement needed is to completely lack in common sense and be ultra woke. Anyone actually accomplishing something in his/her field is laughed at by Nobel kiddy council

 

We forget that Omar has been with the Steelers for 20 years. He is responsible along with Colbert for some of those drafts.
But just taking a glance at the last three.

2025 Draft
In the 2025 NFL Draft, the Steelers focused heavily on bolstering their defensive line and added depth at key positions.

Round Pick Player Position College
1 21 Derrick Harmon DT Oregon ------ Has shown bright spots.
3 83 Kaleb Johnson RB Iowa ------ not living up to a 3 pick.
4 123 Jack Sawyer LB Ohio State ---- Decent blue collar LB. Not a Starter yet.
5 164 Yahya Black DE Iowa ----- Up and down, not an impact player but looks like a serviceable guy.
6 185 Will Howard QB Ohio State ------ N/A
7 226 Carson Bruener LB Washington ----- Wasted pick
7 229 Donte Kent CB Central Michigan ----- Wasted pick.

General Manager Omar Khan emphasized the physicality and the “Steelers DNA” in this draft class, aiming to retool the team’s toughness on both sides of the ball.

My thought - BS. Where's the WR?


2024 Draft
The 2024 NFL Draft - The Steelers made strategic selections to strengthen their offensive line and add depth at both offensive and defensive positions.

Round Pick Player Position College
1 20 Troy Fautanu OT Washington ---- 1st round, a bit of reach. Can't really tell because poor offensive and poor OL coaching.
2 51 Zach Frazier C West Virginia ----- Probably the best pick. An excellent player.
3 84 Roman Wilson WR Michigan ----- A depth player. Has made no impact.
3 97 Payton Wilson LB NC State ------ Probably a serviceable LB. Weak against the run but seems to be improving. Good speed.
4 119 Mason McCormick G South Dakota State ---- Seems to be ok. The Steelers OLine is not forcing their will on anyone. He's got the size though.
6 178 Logan Lee DE Iowa ---- Undersized
6 195 Ryan Watts DB Texas --- Who? The two 6ths should have been packaged up for a trade up to get a better player.

This draft was notable for its heavy focus on the offensive line, addressing a critical need and allowing for greater protection for the quarterback.



2023 Draft
The 2023 NFL Draft was held from April 27 to 29. The Steelers made seven selections, highlighting their commitment to improving both the offensive line and defense.

Round Pick Player Position College
1 14 Broderick Jones OT Georgia --- Has Pro Bowl ability but his head isn't screwed on right sometimes.
2 32 Joey Porter Jr. CB Penn State -- Penalties but is a good CB.
2 49 Keeanu Benton DT Wisconsin ---- A reach? He's has some solid play and does have 4.5 sacks for a NT.
3 93 Darnell Washington TE Georgia --- This 309lb TE is not used enough. He can run and he punishes DB's... How is it he hasn't seen the filed more?
4 132 Nick Herbig LB Wisconsin --- Nick is a starter on a lot of teams.
7 241 Cory Trice Jr. DB Purdue ------ Out for the season.
7 251 Spencer Anderson OL Maryland ---- He's playing a blocking back and sometimes OT.

Broderick Jones made an immediate impact on the offensive line, and Joey Porter Jr. was a key addition to the defensive backfield, reflecting a solid balance between addressing immediate needs and long-term potential.


My overall assessment: Potential Pro Bowler/All Pro
- Broderick Jones. If he gets his head on right, he has the potential to be a Trent Williams type OT.
- Zack Fraiser. Best lineman we have. He fits right in with Steelers HoF Centers.
- Joey Porter can be. He has the skills to be a very good CB but has to get better.

That's it.
No real players that strike fear into the opposition.
No ball hawks.
No sackmasters.
No real moves in the draft to get guys that impact the game, picked average to below average players.
Traded away a pick he was involved in, George Pickens who is a 1,000+ Receiver already. He torched Philadelphia for 146 yards!
A 3rd and a 5th pick. What for? Conduct. Why is the conduct bad in Pittsburgh but not in Dallas? Coaching and a terrible offense.
Turns out, Pickens was an impact player who could dominate.

To offset the failure in the draft for WR, we got Robert Woods, Allen Robinson and Van Jefferson.
The drafts are mediocre, probably a solid C+ overall. He gets lots of picks but doesn't use them smartly to grab impact players.
That strategy isn't awful at times but you got to identify those players that can impact the game and get them.

To compliment the Draft, you usually find players that play a role. He sucks at Free Agency.
Again, maybe the blame is in the coaching... he is supposed to identify that problem.

 

I would say only about 10% on here are still OK with Tomlin. When and if the Steelers go a different direction some fans are going to expect instant results. Got to give the new guy 2-3 seasons.

Now, should the Steelers suck balls with this new HC you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be a thread entitled, "Miss Me Yet"

 

I think AR2 promised his father that Tomlin could only leave on his own accord and Art plans on honoring that. jmo.

 

NOTHING TRUER
CAN'T SAY THIS ENOUGH

 

What scares me that being Pgh is hosting the 2026 draft,
I seriously doubt the Steelers will fire the coaching staff after the season.
Even though it needs done immediately. I would also demote Kahn to capologist
and promote Weidl to GM with free reins to make moves that are necessary to get this team back to contending for championships.