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the fake punt

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mikeyg, Nov 11, 2024.

  1. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Gee. You’re right. I’ve never ever have supported any type of ST’s actions. Heck. I think they should start punting on second down. I think fake punts should be eliminated from the game just like these boring kickoffs. Strummerfan you are the football god and your intelligence is second to none.
     
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  2. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    LOL. I think they should run a fake punt from their own 2 with 4th and 38.
     
  3. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Holy strawman batman
     
  4. Steel the Win on Sunday

    Steel the Win on Sunday Well-Known Member

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    https://steelersdepot.com/2024/11/film-room-what-made-the-steelers-call-a-fake-punt/

    Best analysis I've seen on this. For all those that think our coaches don't actually do anything, it's pretty amazing that they picked up on this possibility and prepared for it.

    Again, players have to make plays, and it's not always the coaches' fault. But that particular play was like a hand of blackjack where you know the dealer's underneath card.
     
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  5. SteelerGlenn

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    It was a gutsy call. I didn’t like it in that particular situation.
     
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  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    You are asking a strong safety to throw to a cornerback. Those are two variables that were likely to lead to failure, which is exactly what happened.
     
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  7. Formerscribe

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    That is a good analysis of it, but I have to agree with Glenn. I didn't like it in that situation. It isn't just that they wee deep in their own end. It was a fourth-and-15, so Pierre had to get pretty far up the field before the throw. Also, the defense was off to a strong start and that gave momentum to the Commanders.
     
  8. JAD

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    Loved the call, just wish it was farther up the field to try it. They would of had other chances later in the game with better field advantage for that type of play.
     
  9. Bob in Canada

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    I was really upset about it in that moment. I thought it was the stupidest in game decision I have ever seen the team make. In that moment the scouting aspect of it never ever occurred to me.

    After listening to the post game show, and Matt and Dale, I now understand why they made it and even if it fails, they at least have the team to overcome the worst possible outcome which ended up happening.

    Although I wonder If MT would approve of it if Matt and Kenny were still running the offense.
     
  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I honestly would be the one b!+ching about it ....unless we actually needed it to win. When coaches say ...more teams lose games then win them.....these are the things that are factored into that.
    Example: a few weeks ago I watched the Ravens in their own red zone, while ahead...go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a easy 3.....at the end of the game they needed a td to win, and lost, but they were in easy field goal range. Had they just took the easy 3 earlier in the game....they could have won the game with a field goal. Some of the decisions these HCs make today because of analytics , or trying to so called be bold are stupid, and cost them games.
    When it comes to this stuff.....I'm stubborn as all can be, and I say this as a fan of Tomlin.
    Also....I have never complained about being conservative in football.
     
  11. OX1947

    OX1947 Well-Known Member

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    I liked it. Pierre is who we should blame.
     
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  12. We need a change

    We need a change Well-Known Member

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    You are absolutely right, they probably didn’t call the fake, it’s automatic if they leave the gunner uncovered.
     
  13. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    The back door cut isn’t a high risk automatic call. An automatic fake punt can have other triggering conditions related to game conditions like field position, yards to go, etc.
     
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  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Exactly. How often do people think they practiced Killebrew throwing downfield to Pierre? In a game situation, players doing something they usually don’t do in game situations are much less likely to be successful than people doing their football “day jobs.” That’s a part of the risk v. reward calculus that failed.
     
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  15. Robert

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    If he had caught that pass, people would be claiming that Tomlin was a genius. Having dropped it, there are those who look for any reason to poke a finger in Tomlin's eye......lol

    Personally, I love the call. I love the aggressiveness that the Steelers have shown this year. None of this prevent defense crap. Just pedal to the metal the entire game.
     
  16. Robert

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    There were only two Redskins with any chance of stopping him if he had caught that ball. If it had been a good pass and he caught it in stride, there would only be one Redskin in the way (it wasn't the greatest throw, so he had to stop and turn around for it). At the worst, he should have been at the 40-yard line if he caught the pass as it was thrown. Catch it in stride and at a minimum he's going to get to the 45 and maybe the 50. At best, he's got a touchdown.
     
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  17. RobertoC#21

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    if you know anything about situational football, it is quite simple, if they leave a man uncovered, you exploit that fault! It isnt about field position , time of game, situation, etc...the professionals are expected to execute, which in tjhis case means, catch the ball. It doesnt matter if it leads to points or another 3 and out, the point is to exploit their flaws and take full advantage. This is no different than a pulling guard making a block or a QB hitting a wide open WR. Its expected and if done as expected, we retain possession of the ball, which means we have control of the game, and make no mistake, this game is 1000% about control !!!
     
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  18. RobertoC#21

    RobertoC#21 Well-Known Member

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    Make no mistake, Danny didnt see it, Miles saw it and Miles was coached to take advantage of that mistake, which he did but Pierre dropped the pass. ST has reads that allow them to make such calls, obviously, field position has no bearing on that call.....BTW, it was the right call!!!
     
  19. RobertoC#21

    RobertoC#21 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, those players are in these positions for just such a possibility. If other teams know our upback cant throw or our punter cant throw, there is zero threat. These guys are coached to do exactly what they did and they did it 90% correctly, minus the 10% drop.
     
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  20. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.
     
  21. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Nobody gets that right without a check with Me on special teams. Yes they seen it in tape....yes they practiced it.....No they are not allowed to just do it....without a check with someone....., and if You Thibor that is false well then I don't know what to tell You. You do know that it would take more than just one guy out there to know it was happening....otherwise they couldn't pull it off. You act like only one guy noticed it, and He just did it. It would be impossible.
    You are leaving out how many people on special team would have to know for it just to work.. ....it was a check with the sidelines, and they gave a ok, and shouldn't have.
     
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  22. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    To all the posters who live in fear of taking a high calculated risk vs being afraid of failure I thank you

    I’m having a great life taking advantage of people just like you

    I play to win

    I do not play to not loose

    But please please continuing what you do
     
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  23. OB1

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    U willing to bet your season tickets on "0" in one roulette spin?

    has about the same odds as calling a fake punt with a strong safety throwing to a cornerback.
     
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  24. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Ok

    I appreciate you knowing your limitations and staying within them
     
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  25. RobertoC#21

    RobertoC#21 Well-Known Member

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    Thats exactly what the commanders probably thought as well....no one will try a fake punt from their own 10 yd line, leave the man uncovered....they were wrong, Tomlin and Smith saw it on film, practiced it and prepared for it and were comfortable enough with the success of running it that they didnt care where on the field it presented itself, we dont live in our fears, obviously!!
     
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