The Chuks mystery

PFF is useless unless it fits what my eyes tell me. I look at a few PFF stats and so I’m not a true blue believer in anything PFF says. However, their assessment of Moore seems to be spot on given what we’ve all seen all season long. His struggles have been well documented on this board. Has nothing to do with an agenda.

 

Idk, I didn't see any of TC. Reports were that Jones was not very good at either spot though. But that is really tangental to the actual conversation about Chuks being benched and cut due to a Tomlin conspiracy against him.

 

Pot calling the kettle black, lol. Dan Moore sucks. Chuks sucks. End of story.

And I’ve admitted that initially I put more of the blame on Canada than I did Pickett but came to a different conclusion over time. I haven’t forgotten that so don’t act like it’s something I’m running from. I’ve admitted it on this board. In fact, I give you some credit for motivating me to watch KP more closely than I had been leading me to those conclusions. Canada still had alot to do with Kenny’s lack of development but Pickett has a multitude of issues that aren’t coaching related.

 

Moore’s exposure to LT was very limited last season, but I think he performed pretty well in those instances. The attached article adds a little context.

https://steelersnow.com/pittsburgh-steelers-benching-broderick-jones-makes-no-sense/

 

So your eyes lied to you . You get on certain players and just don't stop. Like every game when if Najee got tackled behind the line of scrimmage....we had to hear how bad He sucks, but when Warren did ....silence.....Moore is not near as bad as You make Him out to be. Just like when Jones did play LT, and gave up a sack.....automatically You said....that was on the Qb, but when Moore gives up a sack .....Oh He sucks. LoL.
I like You a lot , but You have done this with many players. The exact same things can happen to one You like.... and it's someone else fault, but to someone You don't like....it's their fault.

 

So do you think Dan Moore is the answer at LT? Let me answer that for you. No you don’t. You just like being a contrarian. I’ve said that Moore and Chuks both suck but you want to make a major debate out if it to show how much more knowledgeable you are than the other members of this board because of your expert and exhaustive film study. Make your case for Dan Moore being a competent starting LT, Mr. ALL-22. Anyway, I’m through debating over two offensive linemen who both deserve to be riding the pine.

And your characterization of how I’ve portrayed Najee Harris is laughable. Najee came on at the end of the season, so much so that I said the Steelers should pick up his fifth year option. But the first part of the season he was playing like he thought he was FWP. And I won’t apologize for my admiration and appreciation of Jaylen Warren’s game!

 

Why haven't You answer my original question, because You don't want to actually know???? How many sacks were actually on Him, and not the Qb, and why did He seem to get better when Mason played. No Moore is not the best LT in the NFL, but the kid has played since He's rookie season, and if People have watched....has gotten better every year.
The best OL is not one that is changed around every year, but ones that work together for awhile.

 

Why don’t you answer the question for me. How many of those sacks were on the QB? I have no clue and don’t care. One, two, three, five, eight. Am I getting close? Doesn’t matter, Moore is still an incompetent LT and the Steelers MUST move Jones back there in 2024. They can give Moore a shot to compete at RT, but keeping Jones away from his natural position of LT would be detrimental to his career development.

 

You actually answered it all for Me in that comment. No need for me to talk about this with You anymore. You are like Scribe about Mason....nothing that actually happens matters....Your mind is already set.
You exact words....You have no clue, and don't care.....so from Your own mouth....it doesn't matter....Your mind is made up. So again....you answered everything I needed to know.

 

Just giving you an opportunity to build your case that Moore is a competent LT. Geez, what are we even arguing about, STD? I don’t believe you believe Moore is the answer at LT either. There’s no way you could. You like to ask open ended questions and then you never provide any support for your hypothesis. I’m sure there’s loads of support for my contention that Dan Moore is one of the worst LTs in football but I don’t care enough to go out and do all of the research required to support that so I’m just going with the eye test. I’m sure the QB’s pocket presence played a role in some of those pressures and sacks, but that happens and doesn’t change the fact that Moore stinks (would have said sucks but don’t want to overuse that word, lol). At any rate, this discussion is definitely not worth continuing for either one of us. Let’s get back to agreeing on Mason and hoping the Steelers re-sign him this week instead of bringing in either Wilson or Fields.

 

We did fine without chuks, We have Several Ol
On our current roster. Lets see what they can do or can't do at RT.

 

Lol, not really. You clearly preferred Chuks suckage over Moore's, or else why the hell are we wasting broadband on two tackles mediocrity, if not for your constant replies on suckage.
Bottom line, out offense and especially our running game looked a hell of a lot better when one of the SUCKEES got benched. Would you like to guess which one of those suckers, SUCKED less????

 

The old “eye test”
Well if the brain that’s processing what those eyes see doesn’t have a clue, well….

 

Typical of some people. When confronted that they’ve based their opinion on misinformation they don’t care. They’ve already made their mind up.

 

The eye test tells me that Okorafor gets shoved into the backfield way too damn much.

 

Do you EVER have anything worthwhile to add to the discussion on this board? It seems that all you want to do is be provocative to try to get a rise out of people. Virtually every post you make on here you’re trying to denigrate and belittle fellow board members and not legitimately participate in the discussion. Says a lot about the kind of person you are.

 

Not disagreeing with that at all. It also tells me that Moore is a turnstile.

 

Not arguing that the running game looked better and that’s where our bread was buttered last season. But that doesn’t change the fact that Dan Moore is a turnstile at the LT position. He’s fortunate that we rely more on the run than the pass because he wouldn’t make it as a blindside protector of a top flite QB for too long.

 

Says the agitator who’s never put forth a coherent thought about any subject that’s ever been discussed on this board.

 

No, I will not pay rent on the space I am taking up in your head.

 

Chuks was in Tomlin's doghouse is 100% accurate. Chuks never winning his job back at RT had nothing to do with that though. Jones got the job and kept it by his play. Chuks getting cut is nothing more than for cap reasons.

 

I have no problem rationally discussing football. What do you wanna discuss with an open mind?

 

overexaggerate much?

 

Look around the board. There are several topics I’ve discussed with an open mind that you can hop in on. Early in the season, I had some energetic debate with @S.T.D around who was more to blame, Canada or Pickett. I actually changed my views during the course of that debate so I think that indicates I can discuss topics with an open mind and could even change my mind if the other side presents a good argument.

So of you want to have a rational discussion with an open mind, let’s start here. I’ve made it clear that I think Dan Moore’s play has been well below the line. That’s my opinion, of course, but I think my opinion is shared by many. It’s almost ridiculous that we’ve actually been discussing who sucks more, Moore or Chuks, lol. For the record, they both do.

I opined on this post that the Steelers would have been better off leaving Broderick Jones at LT, his natural position, and running with Chuks on the right side. Some may agree with that and others may disagree with that. That’s fine, we all have opinions. What bothers me is that some feel as though their opinions are so much more enlightened than others’ opinions so they feel the need to belittle and disparage the opinions of those who disagree with them. If you’ve got an opinion that’s contrary to my opinion, that’s fine. If you take the time to build a case around your opinion I’ll certainly respect that. I may disagree with your opinion and will try to provide some support for my opinions, but I won’t try to belittle and disparage you personally because your opinion differs from mine.

I watched Dan Moore play all season and came away with my opionion that he’s an insufficient LT. A lot of other folks hold that opinion as well. I mentioned that there was some supporting evidence for that and also mentioned the eye test to which you attacked me personally by saying something about my brain being inadequate to interpret what I see with my eyes. I’ve had debates with @Formerscribe and @Blast Furnace over Kenny Pickett vs. Mason Rudolph, incessant debates in fact, lol. But in those debates and discussions, they’ve offered up well thought out supporting information as to why they feel the way they do and I’ve tried to do the same. The debates are, shall we say, enthusiastic and edgy at times but one thing that they haven’t done is come in with a hit and run, provocative statement which adds nothing to the discussion and only serves as a personal attack to provoke a response. See how that works?

Now…you said above that my opinion of Dan Moore’s ineptitude is based on misinformation. I would now invite you to let me know what misinformation I may be using to formulate my opinion. I’ve only cited two sources, PFF and the eye test. If you think that PFF’s findings are invalid, fair enough. We’ve all had issues with some of their ridiculous rankings. In this case, however, the data put out there by PFF seems to me to be spot on based on what I’ve observed all season long. So if you’d like to discuss this rationally, tell me why you think PFF’s data is skewed and why you think that my observations of Dan Moore’s failings as a LT are off base.

Open minded and rational enough?