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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Hardini68, Dec 29, 2019.

  1. Jim90

    Jim90 Well-Known Member

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    I've been wanting Tomlin gone for years, I'm not just going by this joke of a season, this just adds to it, things are getting worse and will continue to suck even more until he's gone.
     
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  2. FootballAnalyst98

    FootballAnalyst98 Well-Known Member

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    Record is irrelevant in the end they had the same result they had this yr. They were on the couch watching the playoffs.
     
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  3. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    Well applying that logic to its natural conclusion, at the end of the year there is only 1 team who can say that they had a better season this year than last.
     
  4. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    That’s true ....unless you repeat :smiley1:
     
  5. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I don't often drink...but I'm starting to. Site Admin

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    Then you complain that the team is stagnant.
     
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  6. Hardini68

    Hardini68 Well-Known Member

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  7. FootballAnalyst98

    FootballAnalyst98 Well-Known Member

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    I agree I only praise the SB winner each season. Not anyone else. Its only one winner. Everyone else came up short. For example if we could pull old comments I was one of the ppl that said the season we lost to jax was a failure but everyone said oh they went 13-3. Who cares? They didnt get the job done in the end.
     
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  8. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    If you are setting your expectations so high, then you are only dooming yourself for disappointment and failure.

    Understand that this is different than setting a goal and working your hardest to achieve it.

    Sure you should absolutely set the goal to win the Super Bowl every year and work your ass off to get there staying focused on that goal until the end. But once its over and time for reflection, you have to make an honest and fair assessment. You simply cannot dismiss your inability to attain your goal as failure. There are a lot of positives to focus on and build off of. Ultimately you will be better for it.

    I know that I wrote this as if you are a member of the Steelers, but it's really just an analogy for life in general that extends to your fandom for the Steelers.

    I certainly hope that you in your personal life are not as critical of yourself as you are in your assessment of your favorite football team.
     
  9. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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  10. The Glory Days

    The Glory Days Well-Known Member

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    You're probably right. I should just accept mediocrity and make excuses for underperforming and being unprepared. Wait...I'm not a Browns fan. If you are happy with 8-8, jump ship and root for one of the perennial loser teams that get excited if they sniff the playoffs. I think I'll keep expecting a winning team whose goal is a championship, not to end the season over .500.
     
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  11. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    That’s missing the point a bit.

    Nobody is happy with 8-8.

    Everyone wants a championship.

    Nobody is cheering for mediocrity.

    People are looking at some of the reasons the record was what it was, and in the context of what other teams have done with similar injuries.

    That doesn’t mean there weren’t fixable aspects to some games or mistakes made. But holding the standard as a championship for this year’s roster is... ambitious.
     
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  12. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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  13. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Ok so I guess that means he’s wrong about everything :shrug:
     
  14. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    What he said
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  15. The Glory Days

    The Glory Days Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I am. Maybe I'm not. What I see is a lot of excuses for Tomlin not being held accountable. If this was just one year, sure, cut the guy some slack. But it isn't. And I won't. Years of losing to inferior opponents. Years of starting slow. Years of favoritism. Years of double-talk. Years of squandering talent. Years of bad coaching.

    I will say this again...well coached teams will win the games they are supposed to win and split the rest. When you can't/don't do that, there is a problem. We've had a problem for a long time.
     
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  16. groutbrook

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    Which playoff team did the Steelers beat?
     
  17. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I suppose I’d argue that being held accountable includes the positives as well as the negatives. So what you’re calling excuses could, in at least some posters cases, be an honest appraisal of the positives of what was achieved in the circumstances. That’s different to making excuses, which is why we can say that, for example, the offensive play calling left a lot to be desired, but execution played a part as well.

    I would treat an appraisal of this season differently to an appraisal of Tomlin’s overall record. Obviously this season would form part of the bigger picture, but I think a lot of the challenges this year were pretty distinctive from recent years.
     
  18. Jim90

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    They actually defeated 2 playoff teams ..KC and Titans (preseason) :hehehe:
     
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  19. The Glory Days

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    I stated earlier in the season that I felt Tomlin was actually getting more out of this team than expected and gave him credit for success at the time with the cast of characters he had at his disposal. Also stated what I felt needed to be accomplished in order for him to be truly be praised for a "successful" season, all things considered. He fell short in my opinion.

    Challenges, distinctive or chronic, are to be expected in his profession and must be overcome. A team with no injuries throughout a season does not have its success labled distinctive. The coach is not said to have done a lesser job because of the fortunate health of his team.

    I am simply a no excuse type of person. And I wouldn't give any coach a pass on a season rife with injury, not just ours. One game? Absolutely. A couple? I can do that. But a season? No.
     
  20. Steel Hog

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    I think when you look at the Eagles, who some loath on here, they faced a lot more injury issues that we did numerically/ starters wise. Granted Wentz wasn't one of them , but they lost just about everyone else especially on offense. They ended the season 9-7 and made the playoffs. I know they have a weak division and wouldn't have made it if they had Rats in their division, but they made it. I think Pederson is a pretty good coach and what he did this year with his team was pretty good and comparable to the Steelers, but a little better. My point is he found a way to win and get in. They just lost another OL for the year. Yet they are playing next week and we are not and that is what matters. Pens are kinda of in the same boat with injuries and Sullivan is finding ways to win without their best player(s) JMO.
     
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  21. The Glory Days

    The Glory Days Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't agree more. And Sully? OMG, what a beast at HC. Sure the Pens struggle when Crosby and Malkin and Letang and Hornqvist and others go down, buy damned if they don't right the ship with Sully leading the way. No one is perfect, but he is an impressive coach. I'd advocate him picking up football but I like the Pens too much.
     
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