Tell me about this 2025 QB class.

true. if he's like several, he will still be playing beyond 40. he will have made a ton by then. nil money is now. young kid pocket full of money. you remember.

 

When I was a kid there weren't any commas involved

 

What is also funny is I was only goofing and being sarcastic about hand sizes anyway. But people jumped all over that like it was a family member and I was being a big meanie. Lol

 

So....


Either the team that drafts him with do what Baltimore did to Lamar and have Jalen Milore be the sole focal point of the Offense as opposed to construct an Offense around Jalen or he is going to be redshirted.


No ifs, ands or buts about it.

 

Milroe's hands measured at 8-3/4'' at the Senior Bowl, so I assume he did some hand training to stretch out for the combine measurement. Not sure it matters all that much over a certain size though. The thing I find interesting is that he has shorter arms than KP, but 3'' wider wingspan. He must have some freaking broad shoulders.

I don't know. I was skeptical about Lamar Jackson coming out of school, but he was just such an elite running talent that it was hard to project that to the league. It was always going to be it translated to Sunday and he was going to be good, or it didn't and he wouldn't. I don't think Milroe is that kind of electric. He's good, but he is going to have to turn into a Hurts type runner and not Lamar type. And if that is the case, I am not sure his passing will ever be good enough to thrive in the NFL.

 

Sanders is somewhat athletic with an arm that is nothing special. You could argue that he is more pro-ready than some of the other options like Dart. That sounds more like Pickett to me.

Of course, there were also some solid comparisons of Bo Nix to Pickett, too, and see how that worked out. It's almost as if it matters how you develop the young quarterback, too.

 

That was included in what I estimated, though admittedly a bit Steeler-friendly. But I was just looking for a starting point.

 

Cleveland is the city for QB’s to go and die career wise. Pittsburgh they just fizzle out cause of no development nor game planning for them.

 

Absolutely!

 

pretty good watch.

so is this one.

 

There are some years where you have a 'can't miss qb that indeed does not miss, some do miss. The start of those taken last year looks pretty good for them and their teams. I just do not see real indicators from any of this years class. One or more may indeed break out, and I believe the line in your last sentence says it all, how a team develops the QB AND around him. Someone like the OSU or Syracuse QB could actually become the most successful of the draft, it's a long shot, but it almost always is.

 

i think the around him part speaks volumes. would hurts win here like he did with all the weapons and that line he had in philly? mahomes got a ton of receivers added and the downfall was the offensive line in the years he didn't win the super bowls. burrow has receivers and a good run game but they are lacking in other area's on that team. does that mean he's not a good QB? dallas had a great team around dak but that defense that could get after the passer couldn't stop the run. buffalo has a great QB and weapons but allen can be his own worst enemy at times. it shows it's a team sport and you can't rely on just one aspect to win.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...S&cvid=581be59933214d1b9b507648c2d97eed&ei=97

i think arch could surpass this.

 

I think people make assumptions about his athleticism because of his father. I'm not sure he is any more athletic than Pickett. I'm sure you have seen ratings of Sanders that refer to him as having plus arm talent, but that is generous. He underthrew the ball a lot in college and he doesn't have elite velocity on sideline throws. If you are taking a quarterback in the first round, don't you want him to have elite arm talent?

It's possible the Giants will overdraft him and all the reports I've seen and heard are a smokescreen, but the talk in New York is about them taking Carter or Hunter. If Hunter falls to them, I think that is an easy choice.

Remember, the Giants have a head coach and GM who are both on the hot seat. If they don't make progress in 2025, they are probably gone. I'm not sure drafting a quarterback and selling the idea that they need time to develop him is going to work. They need players who can make an impact now.

 

You and I are hearing different evaluations, but yours seem to be more contractictory. He doesn't have a cannon, but he has a plus arm? Sounds like a guy with an average arm.

The problem with Willis is all he had was the elite arm and athleticism. He had terrible pocket awareness and he had shown no ability to read defenses. He was playing playground ball in college, and even with the weaker competition, he wasn't consistently great.

An elite arm on its own isn't enough, for people to be talking about a guy possibly going in the top 10, he should have that. Sanders doesn't.

Here are some key sections from the scouting report on NFL.com. Full disclosure: I am pulling out the parts that illustrate my point. The link is there if you want to see the whole thing. He certainly has some strong points, but he doesn't have a great arm.

"He’s slow-twitch with standard arm talent and a longer release, but he worked around those limitations with anticipation and accuracy. He plays with decent command from the pocket and finds his rhythm when working on-time and on-platform; that said, he will pass on profits and look for the big play too often. Average velocity and slower rip times mean tighter windows against faster athletes, so throwing off-platform or trying to do more than his arm talent allows is ill-advised. "

"Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros."

"Appears too confident in his off-platform game despite a lack of zip."

There are also evaluations out there that speak to him having the arm to zip the ball into small windows, like Kiper, but if you pay attention to this stuff, it isn't all that unusual.

Most of the stuff I've read is that he is polished, accurate, and tough, but neither his athleticism nor his arm strength are special.

 

The NCAA, as they usually do has helped make a mess of this NIL and other avenues of sport compensation by doing nothing at the outset. now trying to put some regulations in place. I can't even follow this stuff, but the 21 million dollar 'cap' they have have spoken about, that covers all sports seems to be their way of trying to something that already is out of control. I tried to get more understanding, but it still is clear as mud to me. There is 'collective' money, (I believe from donors into a non-profit collective that this 21 million covers), but not sure how it limits individuals from collecting NIL contracts on the open market. Lavar Arrington spoke, while not anything official, but in meeting with 'in the know' individuals that the numbers spoken for certain athletes were in the range that this article mentioned. It's just talk, but there is enough to believe a player could actually choose to stay that extra year if their draft prospects were not as high as they like.

 

Dart is the youngest QB in this year's draft, he graduated HS in 2022 and is only 21. He has a lot of time to sit and learn.

 

I find this funny given your love for Justin Fields, who can't do any of those things.

All those things are part of arm talent, but throwing with velocity comes first. If a quarterback can't do that, it limits the throws he can attempt in the NFL. It turns many of those tight-window throws into interceptions in the NFL. That is why I made the Pickett comparison previously. Both had limitations that a pro coach wasn't going to be able to fix.