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Tank for a QB?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel_Elvis, May 10, 2025 at 7:51 AM.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think he’d probably take the same path Pickett did to starting. The only way Rudolph could keep him off the field is if he is playing great football.
     
  2. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    Pickett didn’t get the start until Trubisky was horrible and I think there was a half time fight with DJ in there if I recall correctly

    And Pickett the coward was a 1st round pick not a 6

    That’s not going to happen again
     
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  3. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

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    The amount we put into D as oppossed to the O, the results are disappointing for sure. Right now the only real price paid on O is one WR and TE, may pick up a bit if we pay more for Rodgers than has been stated, make a trade for another QB, but the balance has to be there eventually. They will work that out, but all of the picks next year are far more than possible moving up in the 1st, the value itself in all those middle rounders would not much in getting to the top 10, it does make for in the 'Burgh moving around to get specific pieces if you swap your 1st and trade your 2nd. Cap wise and draft value they will be in the best position they have been in years, this year is still a head scratcher. What Omar has to say and what we appear to have are 2 different things, things can change and I am not one to write the entire year off, but I hope realistic thinking keeps us from doing short term stupidity for the same results we have experienced the last few years.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

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    I’m fairly sure Rudolph wont be playing great football. It would be stupid not to get Howard in there to see what they have before the 2026 draft.
     
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  5. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    The only reason there’s a huge discrepancy between spending is age. Almost our entire offense is on their first contract or lower tier vet contracts. On defense the majority us on their second or third contract. It has nothing to do with prioritizing one side of the ball over the other or similar nonsense.
     
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  6. Steelvision

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    No i agree, its not the right thing to do. Got to always try to put a good product on the field for the fans who pay to watch.

    we didnt tank in 03. We had a down year due to injuries. In 1969 we were just were honestly incompetently bad.

    if Mason or even AR starts i think we’ll be mediocre to squeezing out a wildcard (8-10 wins). I dont see Tomlins quest for a deep playoff run happening this year and we’ll likely trade up in 26. And i hope a new coach takes over the reigns
     
  7. S.T.D

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    I've been saying this.
     
  8. Steelvision

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    if Tomlin thinks the team can make the playoffs with Rudy he’ll stick with him. To hell with seeing what the rook has…thats Tomlin
     
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  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    My whole thing is this......
    A lot of the people talking tanking tell Me the Steelers aren't that good, don't have good coaching, and the owners don't know what they are doing.......So.....if they truly believe all of that, why should we have to tank, shouldn't we suck anyways????.........Oh wait here comes the ........Well the talent is why, LOL, like we draft from a different draft pool then all the other teams.
    I mean I watch teams that don't have good coaching, and that owners don't know what they are doing, and they never have to tank, they get there honestly. LoL....Over, and over, and over again.
     
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  10. MeanJoeBlue

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    I'll disagree with this.
    From what I'm reading, Howard's flaw is that he needs better throwing technique (to have a stronger pass). If so, then the team should give him this year to rebuild his throwing motion, until it is second nature. If they rush him out there, then his instinct during pressure situations will be to revert to what his is used to doing, which will undermine attempts to improve his throwing.

    If they are fine with his current ceiling, then by all means rush him onto the field. That is what happened to Artie Burns. (Most analysts said he needed to work on his fundamentals his first year. Making him a starter as a rookie meant he continued playing with flawed technique instead of rebuilding his game.) If we think his ceiling could be raised to a franchise QB, then I think he should follow Cam Heyward's path, not being a starter until his modified playing style becomes instinct.
     
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  11. Blast Furnace

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    I’ve read that it is mostly his footwork but Arth cleaned up Fields mechanics pretty quickly so I have faith he can do the same for Howard.

    But it comes down to how he is progressing behind the scenes and us fans will never have that information. If the coaches think he is ready to go he should go.

    My point is they dont have the luxury of time. If they dont know about Howard by the 2026 draft they never will because once they take a first rd QB, it’s over for Howard. At the very least it will cost him a couple years.
     
  12. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    It's possible to be a game manager and be good at the same time.
     
  13. jeh1856

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    If Rodgers is here he will start until if/when he fails

    If it’s between Mason and Howard and as the season goes on they will start whomever gives them the best chance to win

    I was actually looking forward to seeing Rodgers throw to Metcalf and GP

    Now without GP even if we sign someone else I’m no longer a Rodgers fan
     
  14. Steelersfan43

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    Ben was way more that just a game manager in those years....
     
  15. mac daddyo

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    so we would base next years draft and howards career based on a few starts in his rookie year. not much different in how many base rudolph on when he was thrown in when ben got hurt? this sounds like what the browns do. mason is capable of good football. not sure we even need great. same with howard. give the team good play and see where arth takes them. it's a marathon not a sprint. so much pressure on next years draft pick too. you have to be big ben and start in game 3. that isn't what i'm hoping for for these guys or next years draft pick. we need to take our time with these QB's and let the process take it's path in a timely fashion. then we will have something. JMO.:cool:
     
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  16. Wardismvp

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    No to tanking, playing at 110% and still going 7-10 would be good. We have draft capital to move up in next years draft
    to get a qb.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    No, thats not what I am talking about. I’m talking about when you know that the guy has it, like Bens first year or Daniels and Nix last year or Stroud before that. If you get a season like Picket where you only got glimpses of good play then I’d draft a QB.

    Ideally we would start Howard the whole year, wouldnt even waste time with Rudolph.
     
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  18. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    thats when it does turn into the browns. i think that's putting howard in a position to fail. draft another next year and rinse and repeat. :cool:
     
  19. Blast Furnace

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    Weren’t you in favor of taking multiple draft picks this draft? Thats what would makes us the Browns. Taking first round picks every year and missing is what would make us the Browns. Missing on a 6th rd pick wouldnt make us the Browns but it would behoove them to know where they stand with a good QB class coming out.

    They dont have the luxury of time, Mac. By the time they find a QB they’ll need to rebuild the lines and everything else again. It doesnt take years to know if you have the right QB. There are very few Mayfields and Darnolds out there.
     
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  20. Philofarnsworth79

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    You're fairly certain huh? Rudolph left playing pretty d@mn good football... he might prove u wrong...
     
  21. Blast Furnace

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    There are still Mason Rudolph truthers out there, amazing.

    Well, that would be great if he does.
     
  22. Quadrupleyoi

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    I think that tanking is a risky thing at best. You don’t know at the time of tanking who is even going to declare for the draft and who is going to stay another year. And taking a qb is a crap shoot. You keep shooting for a franchise qb and mostly get crap.
    The prize in 2026 is in many eyes Arch Manning, but he has hardly played at this point.
    Anyway, the Steelers don’t tank.
     
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  23. burghfan58

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    I am against tanking for a QB. I would much rather build the O-Line and hopefully weapons around Rudolph and Howard this season. I still believe worst thing you can do is draft a QB thinking he will single handily turn your team into a Super Bowl team without having the weapons around him, as is evident of the Brown's QB carousel. Even when we drafted Roethlisberger, he wasn't expected to be the savior of the franchise. He came into the league with a great O-Line with Ward, Burress, Miller, and Bettis. Ben was the missing piece we needed. The pieces around him gave him the confidence a young QB needs in order to be set up for success.
     
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  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    His stats say otherwise :shrug:
     
  25. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    There is no guarantee Arch will declare for the 2026.
     
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