Steelers will sign DeMarcus Van Dyke

we have legursky,Adams and beachum as back up offensive lineman and we are signing a project at cornerback.

 

that project played very well on ST's.

 

I must of missed it because all he did was down one ball at or near the goal line. He didn't have one special teams tackle.

I believe we have other pressing needs than a 5th string corner. The way our oline gets hurt, we need to at least 9 on the active roster.

 

we had to have another gunner for punt returns , brown and golden were hurt. he has only been here for a couple days. that was one big play downing that ball and he also set up a couple tackles on ST's. it's not always the guy that makes the tackle that makes a play happen. i can't wait til beachum gets up to speed across the line. i think lee ought to get some time to if this keeps up. legursky looked lost out there at times, there should be no excuse for that. he's the only bu center we have right now though. adams, beachum and lee will become good players, but they are rookies. bringing in a lineman at the same time as vandyke would have been useless at that time.

 

Fair enough...so who gets to be #9? Essex and Scott who knew the O are already signed elsewhere.


HACK

 

Maybe Lee or Malecki from the practice squad. I doubt they are any better but we were one play away from Heath Miller becoming our starting guard or tackle.

 

Flozell

 

You are always one play away from someone playing out of position....Most teams dress 7.....and most teams rarely see #7 hit the field. I have a bigger problem with the idea of having to "not dress" anyone from the active 53......why? You are worried about injury....you are making it so that anyone who even looks like he has a concussion can't come back into the game under any circumstances....yet you are forcing guys to play hurt or injured because healthy bodies are in short supply.....there should not be one able body not in pads on game day.....You want to designate 8 as emergency guys...fine....but the entire roster should be available every Sunday.

HACK

 

You are always one play away from someone playing out of position....Most teams dress 7.....and most teams rarely see #7 hit the field. I have a bigger problem with the idea of having to "not dress" anyone from the active 53......why? You are worried about injury....you are making it so that anyone who even looks like he has a concussion can't come back into the game under any circumstances....yet you are forcing guys to play hurt or injured because healthy bodies are in short supply.....there should not be one able body not in pads on game day.....You want to designate 8 as emergency guys...fine....but the entire roster should be available every Sunday.

HACK[/quote:1dmt9yo6]

That maybe true but it just seems like someone on our oline gets hurt every game. And we have shown last year and this year (so far) that we need more healthy lineman than at any position. If two receivers go down we can either have Miller or Rainey. If two running backs go down, we can use Rainey or Brown but if two lineman goes down we don't have big enough guys to play that position.

I never understood that rule either. If you got 53 on a roster all should be dressed and able to play. That's what you have a practice squad for. They are your emergency guys....

 

Let's see, we had zero kickoff coverage plays because they all went through the end zone. We had 3 punts, and you don't approve of his performance because the only thing he did during those three punts was help pin the Broncos at the one yard line? Yeah, what a waste of space. That was no gimme, either. Our special teams "ace" Curtis Brown ran straight into the end zone like an idiot, and Van Dyke had to absorb a blow from the returner and still got his bearings back enough to grab the ball before it went in and not step in himself. I'm not saying it was amazing or anything, but I am stupified that anyone would look to complain about his performance when he basically only stepped on the field once or twice, and made a big impact on one of those plays.

Also, let me get this straight. Are you disappointed with 10 players on every single defensive or special teams play, because none of them made a tackle? That's what it sounds like. Also, we are not carrying 9 linemen on the active roster. That's just stupid. Also, they wanted to sign someone that would play special teams for this game, since they would be without Ryan Clark and are only carrying 4 CBs. Another lineman would not have helped that. Also, mac daddyo may have been referring to his time in Oakland. Also, Mike Tomlin said that he considered him right in the same grading mix with Brown and Allen during the draft last year. They probably would have taken him if Oakland hadn't grabbed him at 81st overall. He has tons of upside. He was cut after only one rookie season for which he did not have an offseason. And we DO have space at cornerback. Lewis and Allen and Brown are all unproven and at this point we are basically just hoping they work out. None of the other guys (Frederick, Victorian, etc.) could earn a spot on the team. Taylor won't be around forever. And you need three starters at that position in addition to quality backups.

Our OL is a mess because of injuries and rookies, but you should know that the starting positions for the future are basically already carved out. Starks/Adams, Colon, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert. That's a good line once it gets healthy and a little experience.

As a free agent, Van Dyke represents a lot of potential for zero risk at a position of need. Which offensive line free agent represents the same? And would he have played over Adams and Legursky?

 

Of course when you read the news release it all makes sense... He was originally drafted by Al Davis, the man who loves track speed. Nothing more than filling a roster spot, although the way our linemen went down week 1, it probably couldn't hurt to find another cruddy lineman to fill in.

 

As I understand everything you mentioned and you do have valid points. But with our proven injury history of the offensive lineman (at least one gets hurt every game) I think we need to invest in looking at olineman. They brought in 4 dbs, why not 4 offensive lineman. The Broncos are about to sign an ex-patriot for there oline. Why aren't we not looking at this. You can't tell me that there isn't a veteran olineman out there for a minimum salary that is not above Adams or Legursky.

 

Okay, who is it? Could we afford him? Would we spend the money? Would he have played over those guys after a few days of practice, even if you think he's better? In the case of Adams, you have his development to consider. Even if he's not good right now, it's still better to play him over some other guy that also isn't good right now, and has no future with the team. With every rep Mike gets, it helps this team in the long run. That's not something you get with Jon Scott and Trai Essex. All they cause is damage. In the case of Legursky, they love him and he's been here for years. He was probably worse than Mike, but they still love him.

On September 11th?? Damn them. Now I really want a re-match.

 

First...I thought Adams was pretty good for his first real game time...at a spot he didn't get all that many reps at... Then you put your 3rd string RG in Legs...and your swing RT in LT Adams....

DeCastro, Foster, Legs....Who do you want to sign for about 1 mill (vet min) to be the 3rd string G? (keep in mind the Steelers are said to be about 1.4 mill under cap.

We ride with who we ride with IMO....both starter Gilbert and 2nd string Foster back this week.

HACK

 

Okay, who is it? Could we afford him? Would we spend the money? Would he have played over those guys after a few days of practice, even if you think he's better? In the case of Adams, you have his development to consider. Even if he's not good right now, it's still better to play him over some other guy that also isn't good right now, and has no future with the team. With every rep Mike gets, it helps this team in the long run. That's not something you get with Jon Scott and Trai Essex. All they cause is damage. In the case of Legursky, they love him and he's been here for years. He was probably worse than Mike, but they still love him.

On September 11th?? Damn them. Now I really want a re-match. [/quote:2ao815yd]

As I don't have anyone in mind we should at least bring some guys in. We should have enough money since Wallace won't get a contract this year. Vet minimum is what we are paying DVD I assume. Starks did it without practice, one preseason game and a new system and everybody wanted him gone two seasons ago. Adams development is going to get our 100million dollar quarterback killed. Right now, he should be restricted to just practice and when Charlie Batch is in the game doing mop up duty.

 

Okay, who is it? Could we afford him? Would we spend the money? Would he have played over those guys after a few days of practice, even if you think he's better? In the case of Adams, you have his development to consider. Even if he's not good right now, it's still better to play him over some other guy that also isn't good right now, and has no future with the team. With every rep Mike gets, it helps this team in the long run. That's not something you get with Jon Scott and Trai Essex. All they cause is damage. In the case of Legursky, they love him and he's been here for years. He was probably worse than Mike, but they still love him.

On September 11th?? Damn them. Now I really want a re-match. [/quote:2zs17t8y]

As I don't have anyone in mind we should at least bring some guys in. We should have enough money since Wallace won't get a contract this year. Vet minimum is what we are paying DVD I assume. Starks did it without practice, one preseason game and a new system and everybody wanted him gone two seasons ago. Adams development is going to get our 100million dollar quarterback killed. Right now, he should be restricted to just practice and when Charlie Batch is in the game doing mop up duty.[/quote:2zs17t8y]
Riiiight. Max Starks playing with two preseason games plus a whole training camp from the sidelines, plus 8 years with the team prior to that is the same thing as signing some dude in his second year (same as DVD) that just got cut and plugging him in against Von Miller while we're behind in the 4th quarter. And I'm sure he'd do a lot better than Mike Adams did, just like you said.

 

in the new NFL, the need to keep guys on the roster based on their special teams ability is not very important anymore.

 

With the way allen and lewis played who knows once dvd gets the system down he may push them he did start as a rookie for the raiders last year.

 

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/09/mi ... me-upside/ he was on the list of corners tomlin wanted last year

 

he's been here 2 days, what would you want from him, to start opposite ike? they are lucky he played as well as he did on ST's with the injuries we have.

it's not all about kick offs. think back a couple of years ago when we lost games because of punt returns for TD's. when you start thinking ST's aren't important they will bite you every week. did you watch the raiders last night?

 

by the way, thank you snack. your points were spot on and saved me a ton of typing. :hello:

 

ben wants her to be his new center.