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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Rick, Mar 7, 2016.

  1. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I wouldn't want to see them getting rid of Wheaton. We have one of the most dangerous receiving corps with this 5 right now, and as Dean says, we've just lost our no. 1 TE. The more options Ben has the better.
     
  2. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

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    When Wheaton walks next year, and we get nothing for him and are hoping for a 7th round comp pick, you'll have a different perspective then.
     
  3. niterider

    niterider Well-Known Member

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    Unless there is a 7th Lombardi trophy sitting in the case.
     
  4. Lambert

    Lambert Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but Wheaton is over-rated. This is his last year here and it's no big loss.
     
  5. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

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    If he's perceived around the league to be better then what he is, all the more reason to move him and get something instead of him walking and we get nothing.
     
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  6. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it's that simple. Not only do we have to find a team that wants to trade for Wheaton, but that team also has to be willing to part with something that we want in return too. If most teams think like you (which I believe they do) and assume that Wheaton will walk at the end of the season, then why would they give something up to get him when they could wait a year and sign him as a FA? Even if we tried to trade him, I'm just not certain we would be able to get anything comparable in return. We shouldnt trade him just to trade him.

    I think we could get a guy that the team we're trading with thinks is going to cut anyways. Similar to a Cockrell. Or we could get maybe a 5-6th round pick. I think we would've had a chance to take on Byron Maxwell's albatross contract so he could suck for 10mil a year in Pittsburgh, but Philly already traded him. Either way none of that equals Wheaton in worth to our team. Besides, we'd be an injury or suspension away from being really thin at WR with him gone. We should address CB in the draft or FA (or both lol), not via trade at the expense of other areas of our roster.
     
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  7. defva

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  8. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    When Bryant and Coates both pull hamstrings, you'll have a different perspective.

    This is Wheaton's last year here. Enjoy the cheap contract veteran who knows the whole offense.

    Trading Wheaton... is literally retarded. We are trying to win a Super Bowl, not get a 3rd round draft pick.

    Depth is our friend
     
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  9. Steelhammer92

    Steelhammer92 Well-Known Member

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    Wheaton isn't going anywhere in 2016, period. We already lost Miller to retirement. Bryant is one toke away from missing at minimum 10 games.. Then what would our receiving core look like without Wheaton, Bryant, AND Miller? Not so good all of a sudden. Brown would be triple covered all game. Coates is still unproven. James is still unproven. DHB is DHB.
     
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  10. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    waste of money
     
  11. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Glad he decided to stay and glad the Team gave him more than a 1 year deal . Great deal for both sides,I knew a one year deal would not do it..Coach T knows the value of a Team guy .Now they also have gained some leverage in dealing with Wheaton ...
     
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  12. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

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    Please.............

    You are making up "if" scenerios to justify a stance that makes no sense. Look at our recent history of letting people walk:

    Emnuel Sanders, Wallace, ..did our WR corps go down the tubes when they left? No.
     
  13. Dean

    Dean Well-Known Member

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    And considering how we draft, we probably take another wide reciever in this draft. Not that I want to but it just seems that that's something Colbert does. We do a pretty good job of finding wide receivers.
     
  14. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    I'm making a mature/front office decision to value depth in a season we intend to contend for a super bowl
    I'm making an informed decision that understands... players get injured

    You think my stance makes no sense? That's hilarious. My stance will be exactly the stance the front office takes.

    We will not trade Wheaton for a measely mid round draft pick... just like we didn't let Sanders go when he was offersheeted.

    Wheaton will leave in free agency.
     
  15. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Well you do make some valid points , but it also depends on who is available in the draft and do we need that guy more than we need Wheaton . And it's not like the Steelers don't have some more potential talent at that spot.They have Shakim Phillips who showed very well and is big and strong with a full year on the squad .

    Eli Rogers was playing very well before he got hurt in camp and was even getting some 1st. Team reps.
    DHB played just as well or better than Wheaton when asked to. Coates showed better as well.Now we might have a new pass catching threat coming in at TE as well . .

    So does the Team really need Wheaton to make a run ? I don't think they do.If another Team is willing to give us a 3rd. the Steelers should jump all over it..
     
  16. RPO IZSB

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    Sorry, but there is no world where a super bowl contender needs a rookie 3rd round pick more than they need an experienced young veteran WR. Wheaton is an incredibly valuable asset to this season. I don't even like Wheaton all that much, but I understand the value....

    Shakim Phillips and Eli Rogers??? Are you kidding me?

    We are going to lose multiple players to short and long term injuries this year. WR is ONE of the very few positions where we can sustain those injuries. There is no way an intelligent front office gives that up for a draft mid round draft pick. Especially when we can let him walk in free agency and likely late round compensation for him.

    Should we trade Deangelo Williams for a pick? He's in the last year of his deal and we have Bell ahead of him and [insert practice squad name]...

    honestly... wheaton could spend the entire season not getting a gameday helmet (we know that wont be the case, but for arguments sake) and I would still value that more than a pick.... in THIS season.
     
  17. freakfontana

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    would be nice if one of our wrs (aside brown) was able to returning kicks
     
  18. PWP

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    I think you are missing a big part of it . It is not just trading for a pick you only get for 1 year, it is trading for a future guy who will be able to help the next season and at least 2 more barring a bust pick ...Wheaton is all but gone after this season and I think Coates,Bell,Green,DHB,Bryant can more than fill any hole left by Wheaton.

    And no I am not kidding about Phillips and Rogers they both have just as much skill as Wheaton. Phillips is actually bigger and faster and a better fit to play outside than Wheaton.

    Rogers is actually quicker in and out of breaks and faster off the LOS than Wheaton.. On paper they look the same at 1.60 10 yards and 2.63 20 yards, but if you watch the tape Rogers is clearly quicker and has the ability to do more damage with yac yards than Wheaton..

    So I have basically defined the problem with Wheaton.. He is a Tweener..Not really outside material and not really slot material either . Does that mean he sucks ? Nope it just means he will never really be that good because he just doesn't fit . I would rather spend those snaps on a future outside WR in Shakim or a future inside in Rogers as 1 of those guys could become great in those roles Wheaton never will ...Wheaton is not Sanders you could see that Sanders had elite skills from the slot and with YAC and open field running .Wheaton does not and will not so might as well get something for him while we can...
     
  19. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. But you're the one who doesn't get it.It's not about the future, it's about now.

    yay, another episode of "Practice Squad Superstars"...


    I watch the all 22 tape of every steelers game... trying to sneak nonsense past me doesn't work.


    yea.. snaps for Shakim/Eli... that's a good one. :roflmao:
     
  20. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    So if you watch the tape just how good is Wheaton in open space ? Use his YAC and use his KR'S and you can clearly see he is not a good open field runner....We do have Phillips under a future contact. The guy we lost was Murphy ...
     
  21. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I think that's pushing it, PWP.

    I'm not saying Phillips may not make a push for the first team; but the FO aren't going to just sit there and leave a guy as good as their no.2/no.3 on the practice squad.
     
  22. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    Wheaton isn't particularly great at anything. Simply a quality veteran WR coming off 750 yards / 5 TDs and with extensive knowledge of the playbook, chemistry with the QB, ETC

    That has SIGNIFICANTLY more value to the franchise in a "contend for a super bowl" season... then any hypothetical 3rd round pick. It's not even remotely close. Which is why he WON'T be traded. Because front offices think in bigger terms than "OOOOOO we could trade a young starter experienced player for a draft pick and insert practice squad guy who had one good preseason game"....

    Yea... i realized wrong BC player and edited...
     
  23. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he needed some time . They did more than leave their best OLB on the practice squad they even cut him a few times...I don't think Wheaton is a #2 or a #3 .. More like a #4 , but they have force fed him a bunch and for the most part he has failed ..
     
  24. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    James Harrison is not some sort of trump card you can play in argument for any practice squad player you want...

    750 yards and 5 TDs... is somewhere between a #2 and a #3.

    Again. I dont think Wheaton is particularly good. You don't have to to properly understand roster value.
     
  25. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the FO should think in future terms and take a few chances ..Let's speculate that a 10 year stud at Safety comes off the board in the 3rd. round . I actually am predicting there will be 2 of them ...Anyway would you keep Wheaton over that ? If so you really don't want to win IMO ..

    If I thought Wheaton was capable of filling in for AB at even a 50% level then I would agree with you, but because he is not I have a higher value on a 3rd. round pick than I do Wheaton for 1 year..
     

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