Steelers Have Asked Cortez Allen To Take A Pay Cut

MorrisFoster · Apr 20, 2016

blountforcetrauma said: ↑

Or Tom Brady, or Richard Sherman, or Kam Chancellor, or Josh Norman, or Kurt Warner, or Limas Sweed...Oh. Wait. That was a miss for a different reason. LOL!
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Yeah statistically the chances of getting a starter or a Pro Bowler decrease each round. There is no counter argument to that but after the draft players should be evaluated only on their merits not hang around for 4 years because they were drafted in the 1st round.

There are also a lot of reaches based on "potential" or positional need (see Cleveland QBs haha) as well.

In 2015:

68 Pro Bowlers were 1st round picks.

14 Pro Bowlers were UDFA.

48 Pro Bowlers were drafted after the 1st.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ge-and-draft-origins-of-2016-pro-bowl-players

blountforcetrauma · Apr 20, 2016

MorrisFoster said: ↑

Yeah statistically the chances of getting a starter or a Pro Bowler decrease each round. There is no counter argument to that but after the draft players should be evaluated only on their merits not hang around for 4 years because they were drafted in the 1st round.

There are also a lot of reaches based on "potential" or positional need (see Cleveland QBs haha) as well.

In 2015:

68 Pro Bowlers were 1st round picks.

14 Pro Bowlers were UDFA.

48 Pro Bowlers were drafted after the 1st.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ge-and-draft-origins-of-2016-pro-bowl-players
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Yeah I mean it's definitely not a "science" of who's gonna pan out and who's not but certainly your odds are better of finding a quality player early. That's why I always feel like cb is an afterthought for the Steelers. We could name backer after backer that has been an impact player for the Steelers but when you start talking about cb you pretty much just think Blount and Woodson. It's like a "role playing" position or something on the team. I know that Ike was dependable and reliable but he's really not in the same category as Blount and Woodson. No ball skills and seemed to give up a lot of penalty yards. I honestly always thought that he benefited from a strong front 7 that covered up some holes in his game. I wish we would get a true shutdown and with this being such a WR and QB league now that position seems really needful. Seattle and Carolina both have shutdown corners and you can see how well they've done. I still don't expect us to place a high premium on the position though honestly. I think we will always be driven by backers.

Steel_Elvis · Apr 20, 2016

I was listening to Sirius XM NFL radio the other day, and they had an interesting stat that several starters in SB 50 were undrafted. I don't remember the exact number, but it was more than 10 of the 44 starters.

So, no, being undrafted does not mean a player sucks. It means that talent evaluators didn't see the same potential in those guys that they saw in the players that were drafted - many of whom end up worse than many of the undrafted players. The draft is a very imprecise science, especially in the later rounds.

jeh1856 · Apr 20, 2016

A lot of the undrafted guys went to small schools as well. They didn't get the scouting that USC or Ohio State get. Plus they may have had very raw skills. Sometimes they blossom when given the chance. But a chance it is, therefore not being drafted.

jeh1856 · Apr 20, 2016

Carlton Hasslerig.

Although he was more like a dandelion blossoming. Looked good at first, dwindled off, then blew away.

RPO IZSB · Apr 20, 2016

NY STEELERFAN said: ↑

This is what I was saying however I did forget to put in my statement "post" June 1 cut. You said: I think the clear answer is that they are making sure that they have the 2017 cap space to do some things that they want to do. If that is the case then a POST June 1 is what they should have done it is a ton less money over 2 years. I feel the only reason to do a pre June 1 cut is to free up money now, right?
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No, you've got it backwards.

RPO IZSB · Apr 20, 2016

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

None of the signing bonus money goes away. The dead money is $4.05 million, which is the remaining cap number from his signing bonus (prorated at $1.35 million for each of '16, '17 and '18 - the remaining 3 years of his contract). That $4.05 million has to be accounted for against the cap. The only question is whether it's all accounted for in 2016, or whether part is deferred to 2017. So, here's how the dollars work. Prior to the cut, his cap number for 2016 was $5.75 million, made up of $4.4 million base salary and $1.35 million for the 2016 portion of the remaining $4.05 million cap value from his signing bonus. The pre June 1 cut wiped the $4.4 million salary off the books (along with his 2017 and 2018 salaries), but accelerated the $1.35 mil/yr signing bonus numbers from 2017 and 2018 to the current year. Thus we take a dead money hit of $4.05 million ($1.35 million x 3). The 2016 cap savings is his original cap number of $5.75 million minus the dead money of $4.05 million, which equals $1.7 million.

IF we had designated him a post June 1 cut, the 2017 and 2018 portions of his bonus number would have moved to 2017, leaving us with $2.7 million in dead money for 2017. The cap savings in 2016 would have been $4.4 million, but at a cost of adding the $2.7 million in dead money to our 2017 cap number. So, what I was saying is that if we can afford to take the hit this year, we should so that he's completely off the books for 2017 and beyond. Hopefully this clears it up.
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nicely done.

Steel_Elvis · Apr 20, 2016

RPO IZSB said: ↑

nicely done.
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Thanks

Dean · Apr 20, 2016

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

I was listening to Sirius XM NFL radio the other day, and they had an interesting stat that several starters in SB 50 were undrafted. I don't remember the exact number, but it was more than 10 of the 44 starters.

So, no, being undrafted does not mean a player sucks. It means that talent evaluators didn't see the same potential in those guys that they saw in the players that were drafted - many of whom end up worse than many of the undrafted players. The draft is a very imprecise science, especially in the later rounds.
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I agree; not an exact science by any means.

Coastal Steeler · Apr 20, 2016

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

I was listening to Sirius XM NFL radio the other day, and they had an interesting stat that several starters in SB 50 were undrafted. I don't remember the exact number, but it was more than 10 of the 44 starters.

So, no, being undrafted does not mean a player sucks. It means that talent evaluators didn't see the same potential in those guys that they saw in the players that were drafted - many of whom end up worse than many of the undrafted players. The draft is a very imprecise science, especially in the later rounds.
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Hence Tom Brady

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