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Steelers Have Asked Cortez Allen To Take A Pay Cut

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Mar 9, 2016.

  1. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Our whole secondary needs to take a pay cut and the people who put them together should as well.
     
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  2. defva

    defva Well-Known Member

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    Well he's gone now and we will go cb in first and safety in 2nd...unless, one of the big boys drop to us and then we go DT
     
  3. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I hadn't figured him into the 2016 plan at all anyway. I thought it was a longshot for him to contribute.

    The secondary is not AS bad as many make it out to be. The 30th pass defense number is thrown around with no context. As I posted elsewhere, we were 18th in yards/attempt vs us, so the 30th rank had something to do with other teams throwing against us a lot. We were also 17th in opponents passer rating, and tied for 6th in interceptions. Simple facts.

    Upgrades would be great, and added depth is a must, but we have some respectable NFL players back there already.
     
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  4. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    fify :roflmao:Another Brice McCain or Antwon Blake type signing.
     
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  6. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    As I have said before the Steelers need to doubledip at the CB position, draft a CB in the first round then draft another CB in the fourth round maybe Jonathon Jones or Cyrus Jones.
     
  7. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah and how much of that was opposing OC's telling their quarterbacks to find Blake and abuse him like a red headed step child? Heck letting him go should immediately improve the defense by 8 places if not 10
     
  8. JAD

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    Until I see who we draft, we had a bad secondary last year, as of right now we are worse, no matter how you cut it. We have too many unknowns now with our second round draft pick from last year, and Grant.
    Although getting rid of Blake and Cortez was a good move, getting rid of Boykin was not.

    Just don't understand why we didn't at least try to get a vet corner or safety in free agency.
     
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  9. JAD

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    I usually agree with you Steel Elvis, but I couldn't disagree with you anymore on this. The only respectable NFL player back there is Gay, he's okay and Mitchell is so so, the rest are unknowns. I thought we actually stunk in the secondary last year. I still can't get it out of my mind seeing Ryan Mallet passing on us all day. :shrug:
     
  10. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Sure, but also think about the 2nd half of the regular season game vs Denver when Osweiler had nobody to throw to on every play. The secondary was very inconsistent, and flashed in a positive way as well. I think Blake and Will Allen were the worst defenders on the back end, and they're gone. Cockrell showed promise, and he didn't have the benefit of an offseason or camp in our system. I think you're underrating Mitchell. He struggled his 1st year, but was solid last year. I'm not saying we don't need some upgrades, but it's not like we were the Saints either. They gave up 45 TD passes with Brandon Browner, Jairus Byrd and Kenny Vaccaro as starters on the back end.
     
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  11. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Just as I suspected.But why we didn't keep Boykins is beyond me ?
     
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  12. NY STEELERFAN

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    I was shocked when I heard this news and was also thinking to myself why now, why wouldn't you make him a June 1 cut? Some thing in not right here, if he wouldn't take the cut or the injury was the problem a June 1 cut makes the most sense. However if they have someone in mind they want to sign before the draft then that is probably why. Things get hot and heavy durning and after the draft, teams miss out on the player they were looking at so they go to plan B. I am thinking the Steelers have someone in mind they feel they need to sign before the draft and that player don't sign elsewhere.

    To cut him right now without using the "post June 1 " tag really has me confused. Why this close did they not use that, it would have saved us so much money. We would have had 1.350 mil in dead money instead of 4.050 mil and we would have had 4.4 mill of cap space instead of 1.7 mil. With the Post June 1st cut you can still cut him now but you won't see the cap space until June 1 which is why this move has me thinking there is gonna be a signing pretty soon. Either way I don't like it we were just working ourselves out of dead money cap trouble and here we doing it again.
     
  13. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    What about Jerraud Powers? I thought right from the beginning he was a guy for us to bring in, kinda surprised he is still out there.
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well.... I think the clear answer is that they are making sure that they have the 2017 cap space to do some things that they want to do, like extensions to Bell, Tuitt, possibly AB, etc. They're looking further ahead than just the 2016 cap impact. We as fans often look to the current year cap as the only cap number that matters.
     
  15. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    That's fine however if we are looking at 2017 even more reason to do a June 1 cut cause now if I am correct on this 4.050 mil will be split between this year and next. So in your statement this is a very bad idea, we would add 2.025 mil to 2017 cap.........Not smart imo.
     
  16. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i thought i read that they haven't made that decision yet about the june 1 designation?

    frey is still on the roster too and i wonder if he is in the plans as depth? he has some experience and was with us last year on the PS. yes we are young and with the draft will be younger but frey, golson and grant have a year in our system and frey is in his 3rd year in the league. golden is in his 5th season. i know everyone wants brand new players but that year of getting familiar will go a long way with these guys while still being young. :cool:
     
  17. jeh1856

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    The solution to our defensive backfield this year is not coming from the draft. Anybody we draft may be useful next season. Rookie DBs is an excellent recipe for losses. Sure there are exceptions, but not usually.
     
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  18. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    He asked about mid tier corners. What's left is bottom of the barrel. Look at this way Blake and McCain both have jobs and that guy is bagging groceries.
     
  19. PWP

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    He should have had to pay back at least 10 Million and work on the staff for 4 or 5 seasons cleaning lockers and the whirl pools .Lord knows he didn't do anything to earn the use of them..
     
  20. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think we're saying different things when we say "June 1" cut. So, let's say pre-June 1 and post June 1 for clarity. Pre June 1 puts the dead money on our books this year. Post June 1 splits it over 2016 and 2017. If we can afford the hit in 2016, then I think we should just eat it and keep 2017 clean.
     
  21. Diamond

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  22. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Probably because he plays the slot and they have Golson to play the same position, they don't view Boykin as a outside CB.
     
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  23. NY STEELERFAN

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    This is what I was saying however I did forget to put in my statement "post" June 1 cut. You said: I think the clear answer is that they are making sure that they have the 2017 cap space to do some things that they want to do. If that is the case then a POST June 1 is what they should have done it is a ton less money over 2 years. I feel the only reason to do a pre June 1 cut is to free up money now, right?
     
  24. NY STEELERFAN

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    Not sure I agree Powers I thought was pretty good just going off the little I read on him didn't really watch him much. He is about the last one out there, your right the rest are bottom feeders.
     
  25. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I imagined it's more likely Tomlin tripped up on something on the way into his office, and noticed it was Cortez Allen sleeping in the doorway. After a brief moment of confusion, as he struggled to remember who he was and what he was doing there, he told him to leave.

    More seriously, it will be interesting to see if the reason for Cortez's sudden decline ever comes to light. I think there's a lot more going on here than we can see from the outside.
     
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