Steelers expected to go in-house for OC

This little blurb from the link immediately disqualifies him:

The Cleveland, Ohio, native ...[/quote:rony3uow]

Heh heh - yeah, when would we ever hire someone who might have played for Cleveland before?

 

I said this a few days ago - getting in new blood, who then takes 2-3 seasons to get the right scheme, right guys etc. is not necessarily preferable.

Although, for the last few seasons there's been that sense of "last chance to win the SB" for the current starters, so there was more reason to not shake things up too much. However, now - at least on offense - we've got a very young unit. So maybe a change of philosophy would work.

 

Heh heh - yeah, when would we ever hire someone who might have played for Cleveland before?[/quote:3c416gy9]

He actually grew up more in Pennsylvania, he played high school football at Meadville, PA near my hometown and he played for Purdue.

 

Okay so Fichtner sat in the meetings and on the sidelines during game day like a potted plant and had no input in to what was going on I guess. Sorry but I don't buy it. For 2 years Fichtner was apparently unable to break Ben of some of his bad habbits when he was the QB coach so how does he do that now being one more step removed as the OC ? Yes this is change but is it change we can really believe in

 

If they promote Fichtner, wouldn't it be great if they made Charlie the QB coach. Ben seems to respect him so that may be a win-win.

 

I have mixed feelings about Fichtner. Most of that comes from ignorance. No, not stupidity, but ignorance.

First, I have no idea what role he has played over the last few years in the offense.

Second, I have no idea if his ideas on the offense matched that of Arians or if he was just being a team player.

Third, I have no idea if he was allowed to try to help Ben get better, or was Ben so enabled by Arians that he had no chance.

Fourth, his success in college as a coordinator is pretty good.

Fifth, I don't know if he ever helped call plays and Arians nixed them or if he called plays and they sucked.

 

Heh heh - yeah, when would we ever hire someone who might have played for Cleveland before?[/quote:2ytccpji] i hope you are joking because cowher played and coached for the browns

 

Yeah but what can we really know? As Tarheelflyer says in his post there is a very good possibility that Fitchner had tried to correct the mental errors, the mechanical error that Ben has and that he was overruled by his OC. It is possible he did just as he was told and no more. He may be a BA clone or he maybe a Billicheck hiding in the weeds till we see what he is capable of in an OC setting I have zero opinion of his body of work.

 

This is a bogus arguement. Look at what happened to the Houston Defense with their new DC -- they went from terrible to one of the best in the league. No set-back there, and they even lost some of their top players to injury (Mariano Williams). Wade made alot of changes and if a professional football player is unable to pick up things quickly, there is a problem -- the only player I have heard of that falls into this category is 85 in NE -- apparently he had trouble with their 'real' offense. Many other player pick up new systems fully in a few weeks.

I would like to see a new OC come in from the outside, but even from the inside is ok.

 

We all know BA can be a stubborn man so we really don't know how much input Fichtner was allowed. I'm sure he was a litle intimidated by the Ben/BA relationship and was afrtaid to overstep his bounds.Maybe he saw even with BAs poor results he didn't look to be in any danger of losing his job because of his closeness to Ben. How much are you going to try and implement your beliefs if it may end up costing you your job? No one really knows the truth so let's just see what direction they decide to go and hope for the best. No one ever seems to doubt their player personell decisions too often. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt when they choose a new OC.

 

i hope you are joking because cowher played and coached for the browns[/quote:a6n5kcda]

chuck noll is the answer to the sarcastic rhetorical question. noll is FROM cleveland AND played for the clowns.

cowher isn't a cleveland native. he's from crofton,pa.

 

Yeah i know where cowher is from i thought you were saying coached/played for.

 

There are many things to consider if Randy should get the job or should they go outside for some-one like Haley.
Why was Arians fired,excuse me, not offered another contract? Was it because Art ll said we needed to run the ball more and BA didn't. NO!! Actually BA ran the ball alot more than fans think. Problem was situational football, when he did what! That usally fell on Ben as he called his plays in the hurry up or no huddle and quite often audibled at the line of scrimmage. Ben always wants to extend the play or make that big play and would rather pass than run anyday. BA was fired because we didn't score enough points. If he passed 45 times a game and scored 37 points/game he be returning. Sorry BA, but BR helped move you out by his stubbornness.

Randy- He's a spread offense pass happy guy. D. Williams can flourish running the ball in that offense but we don't have that kind of RB. Why couldn't Randy settle Ben down and help him make quicker reads or check downs or even throw the ball away and regroup for another play instead of always extending,getting sacked and injuryed. K. Anderson couldn't either,can anyone? I personally don't think Ben has an accurate enough arm or makes his reads quick enough for a Spread offense with 4 and 5 WR.

The NFL is now designed for a pass happy team. We have the WRs for this. Yes our OL needs improving but they aren't that bad. Ben makes them look worst than they are. Mendy makes them looks worst than they are.

Kugler I don't want as OC. Nor do I want Caldwell. Its either Randy or Todd and I Preferr Todd. It'll probable be Randy, fans will scream at him like they did BA because our offense is gonna look like it does now. Seriously, no-one has and no-one can change Ben's playing style. How do you tell your 100 million $$ franchise QB when he doesn't want to, and what do you do to him when he doesn't?

Make no mistake, Ben is our real OC, and maybe firing his buddy will wake him up. BA scripted the 1st 15 plays of each game and we performed better then than in any other part of the game.

Me no care who we hire, we just need to score more points.

Cajun-

 

Whoever they get should have proven experience in that role at the NFL level.

 

How is it a bogus argument? It could definitely happen that way. Doesn't mean it will but it definitely can, depends who they bring in and the ideas he has about how to run an offense, how complicated his schemes are, ect.[/quote:359ojxt8]

Thanks for the support here - but also, the one who said my argument was bogus used the example of a DEFENSIVE coordinator taking over. While I would also hold that such a change to a completely new system is difficult, I would argue that completely changing offensive schemes may be a tad more difficult. My hope is that if the Steelers go outside the organization for their OC, they hire someone who has familiarity with the language of the playbook, and understands what it takes to TEACH the new system to a group of veterans who are used to the previous language. All I'm predicting is a bumpy ride at first if they go outside the system. I'm not predicting total failure.