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Steelers best OC?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelerGlenn, Dec 25, 2014.

  1. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Me too. He was exciting to watch, and in a different system, would have been much more successful IMO.
     
  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Definitely.
     
  3. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    True 'dat.
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Clearly? How so? Rating them in terms of success, I'd say it would be pretty clearly Arians, Whiz, Haley.

    Most people might not realize this, but he barely did the play calling under Whiz in AZ.
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Well, let's be fair. BA's job wasn't drafting or scouting offensive linemen.
     
  6. strummerfan

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    The guy was electric with the football in his hands. Unfortunately for both him and the fans he had a couple of offensive coordinators that tried to make him into somehting he wasn't.
     
  7. shaner82

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    Look at that 2008 defence. That was one of the greatest defences in the last 20-30 years. We didn't win the SB or even get to the SB because of our offence. Not sure how Arians gets any credit for the defence carrying us to the SB.
     
  8. shaner82

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    There has still not been a successful QB like Kordell was though. RG3 has flamed out. Cam Newton hasn't had any consistent success. Kaepernick is terrible. Russell Wilson is not a running QB like RG3 and Newton are, so he's not a good example. He scrambles when the opportunity presents itself, he's not an option QB like the other guys. I don't think Kordell would have had much success as a QB in todays NFL because i don't think it has changed much. QB's need to stand in the pocket and throw the ball. Those who can't have limited success here and there, but that's about it.
     
  9. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Kordell could have been more like Russell Wilson and less like RG3?
     
  10. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Look at the Defenses that our offense played against in 2008 and then compare it to what we faced in 2014.

    In 2008 we played the #2 defense 2x, the #3 defense 1x, #4 defense 1x, #5 defense 1x, #7 defense 1x, #8 defense 1x, #10 defense 1x, #11 defense 1x, and the #12 defense 1x. In 2014 we played the #6 1x, #7 1x, #9 2x, and #10 1x. We had a better defense in 2008, but our offense faced far better defenses with fewer weapons. We had something like the toughest schedule in 30 years and went 12-4 while in 2014 we had a creampuff schedule. Just to finish out the 2014 schedule. #32, #31, #29,#27,#26,#23 2x, #22 2x.
     
  11. SteelerGlenn

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    Actually you're wrong!
     
  12. thorn058

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    I don't know about Russell Wilson vs RG3 but I do know I thought the best thing for him was when the Steelers went into Buffalo when Flutie was there and thinking Kordell just watch how he plays the game. People say he can't do things and he did them, go out there and play like that, break all the rules, play the game the way you know how, unfortunately I think they had already screwed his head up.
     
  13. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Oops, my apologies. Well, something else I could put in the "I was wrong about..." thread. :)
     
  14. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers should have kept him @the WR position.Was so inaccurate couldn't hit a broad side of a barn.
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree with that, I've said it before that my criticism of him was his situational play calling. To be fair though, most fans don't like the way their OC's call games, Haley certainly leaves me shaking my head sometimes.

    You're certainly entitled to think so but in their head to head match up, BA is the one that came out on top, BA was the one that orchestrated one of the greatest SB winning drives ever.

    AB, Bell and Bryant are all more electric than anyone BA ever had.
     
  16. jeh1856

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    The Chinese street vendors sell something like this down in the strip.
     
  17. jeh1856

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    The knock I had on BA was the offense would do great between the 20's but had to settle for too many field goals when in the red zone. Wait...this sounds familiar?
     
  18. Jim90

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    BA had nothing to do with the final drive vs cards in the SB, that was Ben and Holmes in the no huddle from start to finish. That's how they won , Ben didn't listen to BA, or it would've been a quick 4 and out.

    When you leave out KC's 10-6 record under Haley after going 4-12, you're just trolling.

    I'm done in here this has become an overkill.

    Haley wins BA is a fraud , you're giving him credit for where the D took him. It's come down to a popularity contest, you like BA better than Haley's personality. Over and out!
     
  19. SteelerGlenn

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    Lol
     
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    lol, you went out with a whimper. You went all 5 year old on that reply.

    BA calls the plays, didn't let Ben call them even in the no huddle.
    One ok season does not wipe away two crappy ones.
    No, I don't like Haley, done a nice job with Ben and this season, still sucks as a HC

    Over and out!
     
  21. strummerfan

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    Yet once again haley fans leave out one very important detail in the miraculous 10-6 season. They played one freaking team with a winning record.
     
  22. Jim90

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    BA has and had better players in Arizona and when he was with Indy, the offense was already set for both teams, all he had to do was call his dumb plays, which got 3 qb's killed. ( he's going nowhere in the playoffs) Haley had garbage to start with in KC and had to teach everybody his system. Same thing here, Ben wasn't on board in Haleys 1st year, then Ben was having a great 2nd year until he went back to being the idiot and got himself injured. Now he's king Ben cus of Haley. He brought Kurt Warner back from the dead too, everywhere Haley goes the QB's come back to life, as where BA ruins them.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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    Fiction is fun! Too much to pick apart, I'll just settle for the most outrageous of them, that he brought Warner back from the dead :lolol:

    Warner was on Arizona for 2 years before Haley showed up, playing just fine. He's a HOF QB that any OC would have loved to have fall in his lap.
     
  24. Jim90

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    Talk about fiction , Warner doing well before Haley? lol

    2005 team went 5-11 Kurts #'s, 2713 yards passing, 11 TD's rating 85.5
    2006 Matt Leinart started cus Kurt was doing just fine

    2007 Haley aka Kurt's career saver comes in ..3417 yards passing, 27 TD's rating 89.8
    2008 SB season .. 4583 yards passing,, 30 TD's rating 96.9

    Yeah Haley had nothing to do with that :thumbs_up:

    KC did us a huge favour for firing him, for reasons that were out of his control, he lost half of his offence with RB Charles being the main guy and he lost guys on D too ,they also had a very tough schedule, nobody could've saved that season. Funny how KC went back to 2-14 the very next season. He never had a fair shot in KC, if SF'49ers were to hire Haley, that would be scary. He would eat BA's Cards alive.
     
  25. Blast Furnace

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    That's almost 3,000 yards, hardly bringing someone back from the dead. He had 6 games over 300 yards that season, one of those almost 400 yards, another 5 game just short of 300 yards, so yeah, like i said, fine. Not passing for more yards couldn't have anything to do with the team sucking could it?

    2006 he was named offensive player of the week in week one, then passed the 20,000 milestone a couple games later. He struggled a bit over the next 3 games and replaced by Leinart, their first round pick that season, gee, shocking that they'd want to play their 1st round draft choice.

    By the way, Haley is so great that he couldn't even get anything out of Leinart, 35 year old Warner had to come in and save Haleys ass.

    Yeah, KC went back to 2-14 after Haley left, they had a long way to fall from 5-8.
     

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