Sorry but I gotta post it!

That's nonsense! Instead of just maning up about 10 posts back and admiting you were wrong now you just keep fabracating stuff? Lol.

 

I agree with any poster that says mendy is having problems staying healthy. His job is to
be on the field supporting his team and teammates.

This is remeniscent of Duce Stanley lol

 

Manning up and admitting I was wrong about what? I stand by my post, rookie RB's get injured very frequently, and I consider his current injury to be a direct result of his ACL injury. That happens a lot, a player comes back early from some kind of leg injury and something else, many times on the opposite leg, gets injured as a result.

 

Proof???????????

 

Proof???????????[/quote:37lp6y63]

Oh my god. There's no chart out there that lists the number of rookies injured compared to veterans injured.

Like I said though, look at the 2011 draft. Here are all the RB's that got any type of worthwhile playing time.

Mark Ingram
Steven Ridley
Shane Vereen
Ryan Williams
Mikel Leshoure
Demarco Murray
Roy Helu
Alex Green
Daniel Thomas
Kendall Hunter
Delone Carter
Evan Royster

Those are the only rookie RB's to get enough carries to even mention. The only one to play all 16 games was Kendall Hunter. Everyone else missed at least 1 game due to injury. 8 out of 12 of them missed significant time, with 3 of them missing the entire season.

That's a pretty significant risk of injury when you're talking all but 1 missed at least 1 game, and 8 of 12 missed at least 3 games due to injury, most of those 8 missed more than 3 games.

I bet if you go back through every draft class, you'd find similar results. As someone that has been doing fantasy for a long time, one thing I've noticed, and one thing I read lots of, is that rookie RB's are a huge injury risk

 

Proof???????????[/quote:vij8sbd7]

Oh my god. There's no chart out there that lists the number of rookies injured compared to veterans injured.

Like I said though, look at the 2011 draft. Here are all the RB's that got any type of worthwhile playing time.

Mark Ingram
Steven Ridley
Shane Vereen
Ryan Williams
Mikel Leshoure
Demarco Murray
Roy Helu
Alex Green
Daniel Thomas
Kendall Hunter
Delone Carter
Evan Royster

Those are the only rookie RB's to get enough carries to even mention. The only one to play all 16 games was Kendall Hunter. Everyone else missed at least 1 game due to injury. 8 out of 12 of them missed significant time, with 3 of them missing the entire season.

That's a pretty significant risk of injury when you're talking all but 1 missed at least 1 game, and 8 of 12 missed at least 3 games due to injury, most of those 8 missed more than 3 games.

I bet if you go back through every draft class, you'd find similar results. As someone that has been doing fantasy for a long time, one thing I've noticed, and one thing I read lots of, is that rookie RB's are a huge injury risk[/quote:vij8sbd7]
I got you now. So what you're stating is your opinon,not fact? Thanks for clearing that up, now we can move on!

 

Glenn, I really don't understand what facts I can give you that I haven't already. I listed every rookie RB that got even a mediocre amount of touches. 8 out of 12 missed at least 3 games, with most of them missing more than 3 games. 3 of them missed the entire season.

I don't see how that's my opinion. It's facts and my opinion is nowhere to be found in there. I guess I can list every single rookie RB in the league last year and see how many of them got injured compared to the amount of non-rookies that got hurt, but that's going to be very misleading. Most rookie RB's won't get a lot of playing time, if any, so the risk of injury is much lower compared to a veteran who is getting 250 touches. Like TTF said, this is pretty meaningless, so I'm not about to go through every draft and see how many rookies got injured out of each draft, I just don't care that much. I picked the most recent draft where the rookies completed a full year and I posted the stats about their injuries. Like I said, 8 out of 12 missed 3 games or more. Do you think 8 out of 12 veteran RB's miss 3 or more games due to injury? I personally doubt it.

At this point I'm done with this argument anyway. Short of digging up years worth of injury reports for every team and comparing the rookies to the veterans, and then breaking it down further to those who got at least X number of carries and those who didn't, there's no other way for me to prove it. I'm not willing to dig up injury reports because I don't care that much, and I wouldn't even know how to find injury reports from 3 years ago anyway.

You're free to disagree with me, but I've proven it as much as I can at this point

 

Care to tackle how Mendy's achilles injury is related to his ACL injury?

 

Also you can't just take one draft class to scew the #'s in your favor kinda how he did with throwing out Mendy's rookie year and this seasons injuries.

 

Ok if he will call EVERY team Dr. to find out I will then believe. But ONLY then!

 

Dude, who cares. It's so stupid. Who cares if Mendy's injury is or isn't related. Does it really matter? Is it going to change your life if I don't find statistics supporting my post? Besides, how in the hell am I supposed to find proof of such a thing, short of talking to the Steelers doctors?

Give it up man. If you disagree fine, I really don't care.

 

LOL

 

I was talking to TTF that's why I quoted him.

 

Just so you know I'm not mad or do I think less of you because I don't agree with your statements on this topic. I'm fine with having a discussion about it and hope you are too.

 

I don't think you really believe that, you're just saying that to get under my skin.

 

This is what I believe. There's no way to prove it short of talking to the team doctor and asking them. But overcompensation injuries are fairly common amongst professional athletes. I'm not throwing something out that's rare.

 

Well that's fine but this is a pointless discussion. It is impossible to know for sure whether Mendy's knee injury is related to his achiles, although I believe it is because of how quickly it occurred after his initial return. This is not a foreign concept and does happen a lot in sports. Athletes overcompensate after an injury, especially if they return too quickly, which will cause a new injury, many times on the opposite side of the body.

The rookie aspect of my post is also next to impossible to prove. Like I said, the only way is to dig up years worth of injury reports for every team, break it down into players that had X number of carries, then compare the injured rookies to the injured veterans. But even that isn't reliable as teams screw with the injury reports and put players on it for no reason (like NE putting Brady on it every single week in 2007). So it's virtually impossible as well. I picked the 2011 draft as it's the most recent draft where the players had a chance to go through a full season. If you really want you can dig up the numbers for the 2010 draft class.

Either way, my OPINION is that rookie RB's get injured quite frequently, and that Mendy's current injury is related to his ACL injury. I also believe that Mendy is not constantly injured as he's had 2 injuries his whole career. He plays a position where injuries are very common, and he played 2 full years without missing anytime. He then suffered a freak injury without even being touched. That to me isn't injury prone. Injury prone is guys that have new injuries all the time and are missing games every year.

 

I'll just let it go at this point.

 

I'm getting tired of the abuse.

 

At the end of the day, the fact remains that Mendenhall has had 3 separate injuries and has only played 2 complete seasons out of the 5 he has been in the league. I would say that seriously brings Rahtard's durability into question.

And just as a sidenote, I get what you are saying about rookie RB's being more injury prone. Your argument would be more compelling if you compared the rooks with the veterans. You might discover that it isn't quite as cut and dry as you think. And that was really Glenn's point. You really haven't proven that your point was anything more than speculation on your part. Not that I want to get in the middle of this tiff between you guys, but he does have a point.

 

I made this point on another thread - but I really wouldn't say that the injury he had in his rookie season was down to fragility, conditioning, being injury-prone or whatever. He had his goddamn shoulder fractured. It was a freak serious injury, and likely could have happened to whoever was carrying the ball at the time.

Guys who are injury prone are the ones who are always tweaking this here and there, slow recovery time, always getting knocked out of games. Given that, as well as the ACL, I would say that Mendenhall's recvoery time has been pretty decent over the seasons IMO.

 

You forgot Lamaar Woodley!