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So, 2nd Round Targets?

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by HugeSnack, May 9, 2014.

  1. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Here are mine:

    1. Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Stephon Tuitt

    2. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Jace Amaro, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, Cody Latimer, Stanley Jean-Baptiste

    3. Louis Nix, Ra'Shede Hageman, Davante Adams

    4. Morgan Moses, Joel Bitonio, all the top OGs (I like all these guys, I just don't want to go OL if we can help it), Troy Niklas

    Who else?

    I was definitely looking at some LBs here, but took them all out. We MUST go WR/TE/CB/DE.
     
  2. bedwyr

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    If we don't go corner, there's at least two posters who are gonna go Chernobyl.

    I don't want a DE/NT to be honest 'cos I can't imagine them seeing the field for 3 years. I want a starter at CB and WR in the next 2 rounds.
     
  3. Colssteel

    Colssteel Well-Known Member

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    I am hoping for Nix. We are still trying to plug that hole left by Casey Hampton. If we get a true NT, we can move McLendon to an end position, replacing Hood and shoring up our line. Add that to our selection of Shazier, Jarvis last year and our front 7 should be set for a couple of years. Just my $.02 - for what that is worth.
     
  4. bedwyr

    bedwyr Well-Known Member

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    If he's available he'd be great value, having him tie up blockers allowing our LB's to get pressure on the QB could really help our pass defence, only thing is I'm not sure I could bear the howls of anguish at lack of CB again from some quarters. Steelers have hit on some decent DB's in later rounds, Ike and Keenan particularly I suppose.

    Maybe Gaines, McGill or Watkins as a CB in the 2nd?

    Martavis Bryant in the 3rd?
     
  5. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    Like it seems every year, I think we are going to get a really GREAT player here at #46. I am hoping for that big WR. Jordan Matthews!
     
  6. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm betting we will go with DL or CB depending on whom has the most value at 46.
     
  7. bedwyr

    bedwyr Well-Known Member

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    There's gonna be really good DL, CB and WR at that pick. Could we trade down and pick up a 3rd and still get a quality player or would nobody give a 3rd to move up at this stage?
     
  8. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I know most will be hollering if we pass on a CB again in Round 2, but I just don't like the value here. Round 2 is WR country.

    Sure Stanley Jean-Baptiste would be an interesting option at #46, but there's question marks there. I always saw a gap in the CBs. You had the 1st round group, who are now all gone. I don't see the value until Round 3 now.

    For me, take the WR at #46, and then hit CB in Round 3 and again in Round 4. The depth is there.
     
  9. bedwyr

    bedwyr Well-Known Member

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    Which CB's do you think will be available at 97?
     
  10. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    They will either go CB, S, DT, DE, or WR. With ever provides the most value for the position.
    I'm confident somebody will slide and we will end up with a decent player.
     
  11. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    From the draft thread, here's a list I threw together of guys who are still available that would be a good value today. If I left someone off, it's probably because they don't fit here, or are too much of a question mark for me. Or I just overlooked them.

    WR
    Marquise Lee
    Allen Robinson
    Donte Moncrief
    Jordan Matthews
    Cody Latimer

    TE
    Amaro
    Troy Niklas
    ASJ

    OT
    Kouandjio
    A Richardson
    Morgan Moses

    OG
    Xavier Su'a-filo
    Billy Turner

    OLB/DE/NT
    Demarcus Lawrence
    Scott Crichton
    Nix (can't imagine him being there)
    Tuitt
    Ra’shede Hageman
    Kony Ealy
    Jeremiah Attachou
    Carl Bradford
    Kyle Van Noy

    CB
    Marcus Roberson
    Jaylen Watkins
    Phillip Gaines

    S
    Lamarcus Joyner
    Terrence Brooks
     
  12. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    At #97, I could envision the following guys available:

    Pierre Desir
    Keith McGill
    Walt Aikens
    EJ Gaines
    Ross Cockrell
    Basuahud Breeland

    To me the dropoff from WR in Round 2 to Round 3, is much steeper than the dropoff at CB.
     
  13. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    At WR strongly look at Lee, if he slips that low. Then either Cody Latimer or Allen Robinson.
    If Louis Nix III or Kony Ealy are there you have to upgrade the D line.

    People are going to freak but I'm not sure of a decent corner worth at 2nd rounder at this point,
    Maybe we can get someboody in the 3rd or 4th.
     
  14. bedwyr

    bedwyr Well-Known Member

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    McGill's an intriguing prospect, size and speed. If we went Moncrief or Matthews and got MacGill at 97 I'd be happy enough
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    With all of the good players available in the 2nd who won't be there in the third, I see us in prime trade-down territory at #46 unless someone falls to them who we think is a top 30-40 prospect. I agree fully with SC NB's view that there is a big drop off at corner, but I simply haven't watched enough of Jean Baptiste to have my own feel for whether the drop off is before or after him. Mayock has Jean Baptiste at #30, and his next corner is Breeland at #66, so he clearly sees the drop off occurring after Jean-Baptiste. I would feel good with the pick if we take him at #46, but otherwise I would skip corner for now. There's huge depth there, and a lot of guys who have the potential to start in our system in 2015.

    Where I'm going to be the turd in the punchbowl is the OLB position. I think it's a glaring need. Both of our guys have question marks, and it's increasingly looking like Worilds may jet after next season if he has a good year. I love Attaochu at #46, and think both Lawrence and Murphy are great value picks there as well. I have them as my no. 2, 3 and 4 players available for us heading into tonight with only Marqise Lee being higher (and I'd be stunned if he gets to #40 tonight). Van Noy and Crichton are also in my top 10, but I have to admit that I am unsure about Crichton as an OLB - he may be a pure 4-3 DE.

    I'd rather wait on WR than wait on OLB.
     
  16. SteelerBark

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    Here's this...from NFLDraftScout.com
    Tuitt has been in a ton of mocks for us.
    I am still hoping for Jordan Matthews.

    With the first 32 picks of the 2014 NFL Draft in the books, teams will reset their boards and prepare for the second and third rounds on Friday. Here's a quick look at how the second round (picks 33-64) might play out:


    33. Houston Texans – Louis Nix, NT, Notre Dame
    A quarterback is possible here, but Houston can get Tom Savage in the third round, get the behemoth nose tackle now.


    34. Washington Redskins – Joel Bitonio, OL, Nevada
    The Redskins have offensive line needs and Bitonio has the skill-set to line up at tackle or guard.


    35. Cleveland Browns – Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana
    Cleveland needs to find a No. 2 receiver to pair with Josh Gordon and Latimer has all the tools needed for the position.


    36. Oakland Raiders – Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
    Oakland went with an impact pass rusher in the first round, the future starting quarterback could be the target in the second.


    37. Atlanta Falcons – Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
    The Falcons went with the offensive tackle at No. 6, now it's time to address the pass rush with Ealy.


    38. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
    Anthony Collins was brought in, but the Buccaneers are still looking for tackle depth and Kouandjio is a good value here.


    39. Jacksonville Jaguars – Marqise Lee, WR, USC
    Regardless if Blake Bortles or Chad Henne is at quarterback, more weapons are needed with Blackmon not expected back in 2014.


    40. Seattle Seahawks – Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
    The Seahawks are in a position to restock on the defensive line and add a versatile lineman like Jernigan.


    41. Buffalo Bills – Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
    After trading up for Watkins in the first instead of waiting for Ebron at No. 9, the Bills can continue and add weapons for E.J. Manuel.


    42. Tennessee Titans – Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
    The Titans have been doing their homework on this quarterback class and Garoppolo could be an intriguing developmental option.


    43. New York Giants – Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
    Rashad Jennings was brought in to start, but Hyde would be an excellent addition and give New York a powerful 1-2 punch.


    44. St. Louis Rams – Lamarcus Joyner, DB, Florida State
    St. Louis plays Tyrann Mathieu twice a year so they understand the value of versatile defensive back who can cover and hit.


    45. Detroit Lions – Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State
    The Lions lost several defensive ends to free agency, including Willie Young and Crichton would help them rebuild the depth at the position.


    46. Pittsburgh Steelers – Stephon Tuitt, DL, Notre Dame
    Pittsburgh needs to revamp their front-three and Tuitt was born to play the 5-technique spot in a 3-4 scheme.


    47. Dallas Cowboys – Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State
    As the Cowboys look to replace Demarcus Ware, Lawrence could be that pass rusher they covet for the right defensive end spot.


    48. Baltimore Ravens – Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
    Versatile Kelechi Osemele can kick out to right tackle with Su'a-Filo stepping in and starting as a rookie at guard.


    49. New York Jets – Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
    The Jets addressed the safety position in the first round and could improve the cornerback spot with Gaines here.


    50. Miami Dolphins – Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
    Miami drafted someone to help protect Ryan Tannehill in the first round, this pick could another pass catcher for him to target.


    51. Chicago Bears – Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
    Chicago needs to improve the interior of the defensive line and Hageman gives them options.


    52. Arizona Cardinals – Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
    Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie are the starters, but Desir would be able to learn behind them.


    53. Green Bay Packers – Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
    A player Ted Thompson likely considered in the first round is here for them in the second round.


    54. Philadelphia Eagles – Bashaud Breeland, DB, Clemson
    Chip Kelly addressed the pass rush in the first round and might look to the secondary with this pick.


    55. Cincinnati Bengals – Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
    With Anthony Collins moving on, the Bengals could use added depth on the offensive line.


    56. San Francisco 49ers – Billy Turner, OL, North Dakota State
    San Francisco loves mean, nasty linemen up front and Turner can be groomed to be an eventual starter.


    57. San Diego Chargers – Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
    Nick Hardwick will be 32 years old this season and Richburg is a plug and play type who can also line up at guard.


    58. New Orleans Saints – Marcus Martin, C, USC
    New Orleans will need to address their interior offensive line at some point and Martin falls to them here.


    59. Indianapolis Colts – Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State
    The Colts need to replace Antoine Bethea in the secondary and Brooks is an ideal fit with his ability to play both free and strong.


    60. Carolina Panthers – Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State
    The Panthers went wideout in the first and will likely look to the offensive line in the second.


    61. San Francisco 49ers – Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State
    A player that will remind them of Michael Crabtree, Adams gives Colin Kaepernick another versatile receiving target.


    62. New England Patriots – Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
    The Patriots are expected to add a tight end at some point in the first few rounds and Niklas fits really well as a secondary option there.


    63. Denver Broncos – Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi
    With Eric Decker no longer in Denver, the Broncos could add some young talent to the wide receiver position.


    64. Seattle Seahawks – Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
    The Seahawks are always looking for tall, long cornerbacks who fit their scheme and Jean-Baptiste could be that prospect.
     
  17. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    SJB isn't a good value at 46 for me. When I watch him, he's more like a tall receiver trying to play corner. There are definitely better choices, esp for a team that relies heavily on zone.

    I'm right there with you on OLB. I secretly hope Crichton falls to us. I'd be really surprised if the team didn't take him if he was there. Unless a top DE is there.
     
  18. mac daddyo

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    phillip gaines can shut down one side of the field.
    kyle van noy can create splash plays at any time.
    martavis Bryant could be the big, fast, tall WR that could compliment our shorter, fast, quick WR's and give ben a big deep threat.


    those are my 3 targets tonight.:cool:
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well, you're secret's out now. Crichton is a heck of a player, but I have trouble seeing the movement in space with him. I will admit, I am just in love with Attaochu's upside. To me he looks like a young, up and coming Terrell Suggs type of player (minus the thuggish personality).
     
  20. PWP

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    I think this round may fall badly for us ? It depends on which spot takes a run .IMO it will be the WR spot which will leave us stuck with A DT or OT none of which I think are special...

    What I think would be best is for Jimmy Garoppolo the QB to be available. At which point he would be the BPA on my board and someone a few picks back will want. At which point my target would be Keith McGill CB from Utah and get our 3rd. round pick back..

    I am not sure why Teams don't draft a player to force trades like they used to. IMO there will be 5 or 6 Teams behind us looking for a QB and probably have toss ups between Jimmy, Tom Savage and AJ so if we select 1 It will force the other Team to get there guy and will in high probability get our 3rd. round pick back.
     
  21. SteelCity_NB

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    I see the argument for an OLB, but I kinda see the Steelers going with Shazier at ILB this year. But should Worilds walk after next year, I could see Shazier moving to ROLB, kicking JJ over to LOLB and then if he is up to it, having Spence go to ILB alongside TImmons. Just a thought.

    I think we have to go WR in Round 2, although if either of the Notre Dame guys are there at #46, that could be tough to pass on. I personally don't mind ASJ or Niklas at TE either.
     
  22. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Take best available CB or WR.
     
  23. TarheelFlyer

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    Completely agree. Completely. I can see at LEAST one of those guys left listed above being left in round 3. I personally am hoping we do what we did last year by moving next year's 3rd rounder for an additonal pick this year, especially if we can get one near the top of the round.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    I have a hard time seeing them grabbing a LB in the first 2 rounds but I never expected them to grab one last night, so who knows. I think DE or WR tonight, can still get Desir or EJ Gaines later, those are my next guys for CB, several others would be good too that NB posted.
     
  25. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    Martavis bryant/Mcgill/Gaines
     

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