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Smith Offense/Russell Wilson/WR’s and TE's

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelresolve, May 11, 2024.

  1. Steelresolve

    Steelresolve Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2022
    When you look at Arthur Smiths offense it supposedly thrives on the following:

    1. Wide Zone Blocking - Run Game
    2. 12 personnel as base offense - Offers diversity to run or pass without telegraphing the play.
    3. Heavy blocking from Wide Receivers and Tight Ends.
    4. Big Bodied WR’s who can stretch the field vertically and be physical.
    5. Heavy Play action
    6. Speed on the perimeter to stretch the field to open up the underneath routes and run game.
    7. Alot of check downs to RB’s in passing game.
    8. Heavy usage of TE’s in passing game out of 12 personnel set.

    How do the Steelers fit this?
    1. I believe we now have the makings of an offensive line grouping that is athletic and versatile enough to block Wide Zone, Gap, Pull or Power.
    2. This is a question mark - Do we have the personnel yet for this setup? I believe we have the RB’s and we have the TE’s but there are some questions on the TE’s. Can Muth become the blocker we need him to be or do we only play him in the slot or out wide and not ask him to block much? I don’t believe Pitts was asked to block much, but Pitts ran a 4.46 and was more of a big bodied WR than Muth would or could be.
    3. Do we have the right grouping of WR’s for this? Is GP willing to do this consistently and are the other WR’s big enough to be effective at this?
    4. I believe we definitely have the vertical speed. But we only have one proven WR who is big and physical and matches what Smith desires. Can the other WR’s be effective at getting off the line on the perimeter and get open?
    5. I believe Wilson and Fields will thrive in this area.
    6. We have this in spades.
    7. Warren and Wilson thrive in this area.
    8. Muth should thrive in this area but how will Wilson operate in the system relative to this? He isn’t known to pass to the TE alot.

    When you look at Arthur Smiths Offense last year there are some interesting stats:

    Falcons Offense 2023
    RB Targets 124 (24%) RB Receptions 88 (27%) Yards 745 (20%) TD 6 (35%)

    WR Targets 209 (41%) WR Receptions 124 (38%) Yards 1,650 (44%) TD 4 (24%)

    TE Targets 174 (33%) TE Receptions 114 (35%) Yards 1,380 (36%) TD 7 (41%)

    Bijan Robinson 65% of Production in yds 90% in TD’s at RB position.
    Kyle Pitts 48% of Production in yds and 45% in TD’s at TE position.
    Drake London 55% of Production in yds and 50% in TD’s at WR position.

    I believe the Steelers can compete with ATL in the RB position. We may not have the talent of a Bijan but Najee/Warren together are more than capable producing as well if not better than Bijan in this system.

    I believe Pickens is a better talent than Drake London. London is a big bodied WR with average speed a 4.5 40. The rest of the receiving group in All was average and from a target and production standpoint well below Bijan and Pitts and the second TE who produced 582 yards and 3 TD’s. The second highest producing WR was Hollins with 30 targets, 18 receptions, 251 yards and 0 TDs. This doesn’t paint the whole picture though. As Pitts really was/is a hybrid WR who runs a 4.46 40 at 6’6”.

    With Pitts really being a hybrid WR they essentially had tow big bodied WR’s and the inline TE was Jonnu Smith with 70 targets and 50 receptions.

    So the real question here is will Friermuth be able to produce in the same role that Kyle Pitts produced in? Who will the second receiving Te be that is similar to Jonnu Smith? The second question is how will this offense produce without that second big bodied perimeter WR? Will we be able to block up on the permitter on the outside with the smaller WR’s to enable the wide zone run game to be effective? Will the smaller WR’s be able to get off press man to stretch the field and draw double coverage away from Pickens? Will Pickens be able to beat double coverage? Will Russ utilize the TE’s in the passing game?

    One thing I am sure of is our offense has more speed than Atlantas. Will that be enough to enable his system to thrive? In this offense the players I am most interested in seeing how they will fit and produce is Russel Wilson, Roman Wilson and Pat Frieirmuth and Najee of course.

    If they some how could pull off trading for DK Metcalf he would be the perfect fit to complete this offense.Hopefully Khan can make it happen.
  2. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2016
    What were the similarities and differences in his system between his offense in Atlanta and his offense with the Titans in 2019 and 2020 when he was their OC?
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2011
    this video does offer some good details of this offense. my worries are as i have said in the past, do we have the smarts of individual players to run this offense to it's fullest? there are many reads by the linemen that have to be read the same by all of them for success. then the backs have to read the same things as all 5 of those guys. it may change with just a d-lineman moving or shifting at the last second. the way the receivers have to read coverages and depths they run to get another receiver open on each given play. will ours do that especially if they are not the main read on any given play. (pickens comes to mind).

    then the qb's have to be reading the same things at every level compared to what the defense is showing or trying to fool them with. (fields comes to mind). are our players smart enough to run these concepts?

    some of these coordinators are far smarter than what these players can process. shannahan comes to mind. i have talked about gruden and the way his mind worked over his players. does smiths concepts raise expectations too high for the intelligence of our players?

    people talk about pat meyers coaching but he and smith are well versed in the same blocking schemes that they like to run and coach. so much is put on the players to be detailed oriented for each and every thing a defender does on any given play. part of the reason it takes half a season for the line to get on the same page. now we are adding new players that have to get to that level of comfort just reading what to do let alone doing it in unison.


    i guess we shall see how this comes out of the gate. what does it do long term? many one year contract players are running it right now. will this determine who gets extensions? will it be the ones that can handle it the best? how well are these new assistants teaching it? so many questions.
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  4. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

    Dec 23, 2020
    a mid-tier offense and a TOP 5 defense. We will compete

    AFCN is brutal - NOTHING Khan or Tomlin or Smith can do about that........just the era of that right now.....
  5. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2019
    I saw Ben yesterday at the Man Up event in Cranberry and he said the same thing. The Steelers have a good running game and a good defense, the team's big question mark is at the WR position. It was a really good event with Alex Highsmith, Ben, Tomlin and Cam Heyward all speaking there.
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  6. nor

    nor Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2016
    i'd rather have a good passing game, myself.
  7. nor

    nor Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2016
    But for now, until we get a franchise QB, we'll just have to cycle thru QBs till we find one. Might be a long wait.
  8. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

    Apr 21, 2016
    Well, given the fact that it appears that Arthur Smith will be with the team for at least three seasons, it is going to take at least two of them to fully implement the offense as a whole; this current one being one of three. That said however, the pieces on the Offense are nearly completed on being filled for running the system; sans the big bodied Outside Z the OP mentioned. Beyond that though, everything else is where it needs to be; doubly so with the Tight Ends.

    My biggest question stems from not how long will it take for the Offense itself to find its footing but how short is Russell Wilson's leash in the Offense as a whole?! Mind you all that Wilson's best games historically come out of structure of the Offense and very seldom from inside of it. Yes, Smith's usage of Play Action and having his QBs work outside the numbers do help but that isn't going to be the case 100% of the time.
  9. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2011

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