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Shedeur Sanders

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by Steel_Elvis, Apr 8, 2025.

  1. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    After watching several full games, he’s the hardest QB I’ve ever evaluated. I see what’s written about him, and I agree with some of the assessments and disagree with others.

    1. Toughness: He was a piñata. I lost count of the number of times he stood in and took a big hit to deliver the ball. Teammates respect that in a QB. Ironic that he’s the son of one of the most contact-shy players ever.

    2. Athleticism: If you read about his weaknesses, you’d think he plays in cement shoes. He is not a dual threat QB, but he is mobile in the pocket and can make defenses pay with scrambles when there’s an open area to run to. He has all the mobility that you need in a pocket passer.

    3. Accuracy: This is a mixed bag. I really don’t like his throws to the sideline outside the pocket. So many of them fall short and result in his receivers coming back to the ball. Over the middle he shows much better accuracy and ball placement.

    4. Arm strength: I don’t think he has anything more than an average NFL arm. Probably below average. See what I said above about throws to the sideline. I think he lacks the arm strength to consistently throw ropes on out routes to the sideline. When he breaks contain and throws on the run, I see more zip. I think he is effective at harnessing his movement on the run to add zip to his throws and his throws on the run really seem to have full body torque behind them. On deep throws the ball frequently seems to die if it’s beyond 30-40 yards past the line.

    5. Smarts: This is where I see his advantage. He seems to see the game more like a pro QB than a developmental guy coming out of college. I think he’s a guy who can be trusted to run a full NFL offense with full-field reads.

    After watching several games, my comp for him is Brock Purdy. It’s not a clean comp. For example, he does more off structure than Brock, mainly due to necessity since he faced collapsing pockets so frequently. However, he has that same ability to get the ball to playmakers all over the field. Also like Brock he has good mobility for a pocket passer and can take a defense by surprise and tuck and run for a 1st down on 3rd and 10 if they turn their backs to him. Ultimately I think Sanders is a guy who can take a team far if it has quality weapons. He will find the right guy and get him the ball in position to make plays. Like Brock, if he’s surrounded with talent he will make the most of that talent (see 49ers’ NFC championship season). Also like Brock, if the weapons aren’t there he will probably not make the next man up better (see 49ers last season). In my view based on admittedly limited watching, I think he’s a guy who can be very successful on a rookie contract when the team can afford to build around him. Once he’s on a huge second contract, the team had better be great at stocking young, cheap talent around him. That’s my take.

    Would I take him at #21? Probably. I think he has a really high floor and can be a quality pocket QB very early in his career - just not a game changer on his own.
     
  2. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    A lot of the same things I've been seeing with him. I don't see Mahomes. I do see a better QB than MR or aged Rodgers long term. With the gap from 21-83, I could see the pick and respect it for that reason. Not a love it, not a hate it.


    He's also a guy that will likely continue to improve on the field. This is and has been his life since forever ago. Since birth. I feel he is under-rated as a QB.
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    maybe his dad comes with him and coaches the DB's. :smiley1::cool:
     
  4. Steelresolve

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    Excellent write up and observation. To me this is exactly the type of QB I would prefer. We see alot of guys come into the league with canons for arms or hyper athletic but they can’t read defenses or process quickly. Tom Brady didn’t have a canon nor was he athletic, but he was the best processor in the game. I am not for us drafting a QB this year but this is one guy that may change my mind. He also is the one rookie that has the mental makeup to handle Tomlin’s indecivesness and lack of support when it comes to preaching no turnovers and limiting him to reads where he won’t turn the ball over. I think that kind of coaching has a tremendously negative impact on the QB’s confidence and ultimately performance overtime. I don’t think this guy is gonna get raddled by much.
     
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  5. Wardismvp

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    And you wonder why we can't develop the QB room? The QB's are afraid to make a mistake. Now granted we can't have a turnover machine
    that loses games stupidly, but qb's have to be put into a position where there not afraid to try and make a play once in awhile.
     
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  6. biggbunch68

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    I never watched his games, but I wouldn't take him just because he seems like a narcissist, and I definitely wouldn't want to hear his dad run his mouth, if if Dion didn't think we was using him right , or if it was going south for him.. His dad alone would be a media nightmare
     
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  7. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Scouting Report: Weaknesses
    • Still developing ability to diagnose complex defensive looks, as evidenced by struggles against BYU's multiple fronts in the Alamo Bowl
    • Can be overconfident in arm talent, attempting tight-window throws that may not translate against NFL closing speed
    • Takes too many negative plays rather than throwing the ball away, contributed to concerning sack totals (52 in 2024)
    • Shows tendency to drift backward under pressure instead of climbing the pocket, impacting throw power on deep balls
    • Must improve recognition and response time against sophisticated blitz packages, particularly evident against top-tier competition
    according to this he is not that great at reading defenses. he may have been groomed by his daddy to do it but he is the one that has to put it into play. he's good don't get me wrong but i think some others are every bit on the same level of understanding defenses.

    remember his daddy brought almost all of jackson state with him to colorado. shadur was very familiar with these players and this offense. he won't have that same feel of comfort in the pros. i would pump the breaks on how good he reads defenses over some of these other guys. :cool:
     
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  8. Steelresolve

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    Exactly. I remember when my son played youth football and he was a running back. The coach would dream at him if he fumbled the ball. He would yank him from the lineup. I would say why are you yelling at him for making a mistake on an effort play? I can understand being upset if he jumps offsides or misses an assigned hole or block but fumbling? It got in my Sons head he would be more nervous about fumbling than anything. Obviously the coach shouldn’t dream at kids at any level of football especially youth in my opinion.
     
  9. Brice

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    Saints are back in Play for Sanders at #9.

    Saints QB Derek Carr dealing with shoulder injury; availability for 2025 in question
    Quarterback Derek Carr is dealing with a shoulder injury that threatens his availability for the upcoming season, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Friday afternoon.

    Carr is weighing his options -- including the possibility of surgery, per Rapoport. The Saints hold the No. 9 overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, which could be impacted heavily by Carr's shoulder and decision on how to proceed.
     
  10. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    To me this doesn’t change anything for them at pick #9. You only take a QB at pick #9 if you firmly believe he can be your long term QB. Having Carr or not in 2025 doesn’t change that calculus. No well-run team is going to say “we don’t really like this guy much, but we need a QB in 2025 so we’ll blow pick #9 on him.” Conversely, no well-run team is going to say “gee, we love this guy and think he’s a franchise QB… but we have Derek Frickin Carr so we’ll pass.”

    Just media BS.
     
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  11. Brice

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    I still don't see how the Steelers land Sanders without moving up. For Sanders to come Visit a team with the 21st pick, says a lot about there being something in the Air about the Steelers moving up in the draft. Generally, a guy who is looking at being a Top 5 pick, is not going to waste his time visiting a team selecting in the bottom half of the draft.

    Option A) Next year's 1st round
    Option B) George Pickens
    Option C) All this Trade TJ talk maybe there is something behind it. (I would hate to see this as it would really hurt Sanders appeal to the Fans, and would be talked about FOREVER!!!)
     
  12. SGSteeler

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    Pretty fair assessment. I think a pretty close comp for me would be CJ Stroud. They have a lot of similar traits; mobile enough but prefer to scramble to pass (and pretty good off structure), both naturally accurate throwers coming out of school, higher end football smarts compared to others coming out, solid but not special arm, and they are similarly sized guys as well.
     
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  14. SGSteeler

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    Unless his camp is selectively "removing" themselves from certain team's board. If he goes and visits, say , the Browns and says "don't draft me, I don't want to play for you"... then he can artificially drop himself down the board. MAYBE something like what happened with Eli Manning and the Chargers could happen and a team drafts the player anyways and trades them, but I doubt it. There is a possibility something like this is happening and its pushing Sanders down the board to the latter half of the first round (or into range where the team selecting him will have a better all around roster, or is simply just a higher caliber organization).
     
  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    maybe they don't want deion to coach him over the teams coaching staff. may become a power struggle type of scenario. ego vs ego. i would worry about that. JMO. :cool:
     

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