Shaun King

Bro he didn't lie to the court. He only lied to Arthur Blank of the Atlanta falcons and federal officials for a couple weeks. And then he started acting right and took on full responsibility.

He took his plea deal within a month.

Maybe you just listened to the media. Maybe you're just filled with hate. But you apparently didn't look into what happened.

Vick got charged way more than the other 4. Because of his money involvement and not the few dogs he killed. When the other people did way more.

He got charged in July. Took a plea less than a month into it.

The judge literally reminded him he did not have to accept the prosecutors recommendations..... But he still took it. If he didn't feel bad and wake up to what wrong he has done, then why the heck would he accept this stuff and accept a plea from the start?

Vick was bailed. But in November he turned himself in without being sentenced. (He literally was sitting in jail from July to December. That's 6 months).

A dumb drug test for smoking pot (look that up) it literally sent that judge overboard. And then the judge made up crap sounding just like you that he didn't cooperate with federal officials. Which was only for a week back in July.

Then he gets senteced for 24 months (already serving 6 months). And he donated a million dollars to help the dogs get adopted. Again, something he didn't have to do.

So 3 times so far on things he didn't have to do.


But then he got more charges due to this happened in multiple states. To which Vick, again pushed his attorneys to get it done. While the prosucutor kept postponing it.

He literally set in jail from November 2007 to July 2009.

Then he had NFL act like they wanted to do more. And if not for the colts HC, Vick probably would have never seen the field.

He donates mad money to help animals. He's a spokesperson at several places.


So yeah, Vick woke up fast after he looked himself in the mirror.

 

I kind of agree with this. If paying for your crimes isn't punishment enough, and rehabilitation is for nothing....then why make someone do it. He served His time so I leave it at that. Now I didn't want Him on the team because of His style of play. Nothing else. Yes I don't like what He did, but like I said He served His time,and everyone should get another chance. Still I wouldn't have gotten Him because of the way He played, and style.

 

Yes, but We did that without
1. Trading away players
2. Trading away draft picks
3. Taking on that huge cap Hit.
Now add all 3 of those things...how far do We get.
So We would basically have a less team than last year except for a Different Qb.
Can't see how that will help the OL, or our awesome 24th ranked Defense ,and 32nd ranked run D.
JMO

 

Yeah, it is that 35 million cash figure that is the change in his situation with the Texans this year compared to last year.

 

First off, if that trade compensation tweet were to be correct, then taking on Watson AND fixing the team around him isn't nearly as difficult as some are making it out to be. I'd still want to get one of those first round picks removed from the deal, or at least lowered to a Day 3 pick, instead. But still, all they lose in current players is Bush and Claypool?

Heck, Bush sucks most of the time, anyway, so don't EVEN try to tell me they can't replace him in the draft or free agency. I'm still hoping they get Lloyd this year, even with keeping Bush on the team. But even if they don't get him, there's no way they couldn't find an improvement somewhere.

And while Claypool has a ton of potential, with the remaining weapons on this offense, you don't think Deshaun Watson instantly makes that collective group at least twice as good as they've been up to now? Come on. I know this group on this board knows this game better than that.

All that leaves them to do is improve the line on offense, and improve the exact same holes they already had on defense before getting Watson. That's not even remotely close to an impossible task, even in one offseason.

So yeah, from just the purely on field perspective above, I could see why the Steelers would be interested.

Now for the other side of this, though. I still wouldn't do it. Doesn't mean I'm right in that decision, but I do have a very valid reason I wouldn't.

Even IF Watson is cleared of everything going forward.
Even IF none of his past deeds to date come back in another form in the courts in the future, as happens all the time in our legal system.
Even IF his level of play after a year away returns to the same high level it was before, or even better.

Even if everything anybody can possibly find out about him and know is 100% perfect for his team up to this point in time, I'd have one remaining GIANT concern.

Who's to say he's learned anything from this experience and won't screw himself over again in the future, and as a result, his team, as well? I don't know. You don't know. And NOBODY with the Steelers knows, either. Nobody. Heck, even Watson himself doesn't REALLY know. So this whole thing becomes a gamble. And like with any gamble, now you have to ask yourself if it's worth it. If what King claims to have heard is true, then apparently the Steelers believe it is worth it. But for me, it's not. I've seen just far too many people who haven't been able to stop a highly addictive behavior like this, even after having been seriously hurt by it in the past. I've also seen a lot of people who have been able to stop it, too. But that's the gamble. And I just wouldn't take that bet.

 

He woke up and realized he needed to deal with his image to avoid even more league discipline and possibly get endorsements back. That he worked on rehabilitating his image doesn't mean he isn't a bad guy.

You keep trying to diminish the importance of funding it, which is ridiculous. That matters. It's not as if he didn't understand what was going on. One of his excuses for his disgusting behavior was that he grew up with it, so he can't claim ignorance regarding what was going on.

Who cares that he took a plea deal quickly? They had him. He knew it, or at least his lawyer did, so he gets no credit for that. You want to try to tell us you know what he was thinking then and that he felt bad? Sorry. I'm not buying that. He did terrible things for a long time. As he said, he grew up with it.

Dumb drug test? Too bad. Don't be stupid enough to do that, especially when dealing with another legal issue.

His donating money sure looked like image rehabilitation, which is self-serving. Sorry. I'm not interested in giving him credit for that, either.

I don't hate him. I just see him for the bad guy that he is. For some reason, you don't want to see that. You prefer making excuses for a guy acting like a piece of crap.

 

Yeah wasn't all this stuff going down on his property as well? ... might have led to harsher sentence.

I don't know, people can change...it doesn't always happen, but it is possible.

Vick wasn't the player he used to be when he came to the Steelers, was it a good signing? ... maybe, but probably not.

 

Ole Dale is getting upset. LoL. I Love when He gets all red faced. LoL. I actually like Him as a reporter. He's usually spot on. Not always, but usually .

 

He's a pretty cool guy in person as well. Most really are good guys, especially Josh Yohe. Dejan is the one that is super toxic.

 

I don't really know Yohe, but you are spot on about the other two.

 

Ok, Poopi is proof anyone can post anything

 

He is a worthless POS

 

I would keep Claypool and trade Washington, instead

 

Well, yeah

 

except Washington is a FA so trading him might be difficult

 

Of the ones involved Vick had the most to lose and the penalties reflected that, sending a guy to prison for twenty years and levying fines against them when they are broke unemployed and basically making money off their illegal activities isn't going to make them stop or feel bad. Where as Vick had a very long way to fall. I watched his episode of a football life and Tomlin is on there talking about the area they both grew up in and the dog fighting culture there and that is why Tomlin reached out so he could offer someone else a hand out of that life. It doesn't change my opinion on Vick or what he did but it was interesting for Tomlin's part.

 

I'm with you and Jeh for the most part. I didn't like the signing, didn't think he had anything anymore. I do believe that people can be forgiven and maybe just maybe Vick did have a moment of spiritual awakening. Im not in a position to judge that. I will say that no matter the culture you grew up in, no matter the circumstances, if you are a sociopath and can hurt a living thing in that way, that doesn't go away. It may get quiet for a bit but it is still there. So he can meet young men and tell his story and help keep others from doing it, donate time and money to rescue efforts, cuddle up with dogs, and say all the right things but he still tortured those dogs. Not the type of person I would seek out to befriend, glad he found faith and reason but yeah not a guy I'd care to know.

 

you're missing a lot......
- he went ahead and put himself in jail.
- took what the prosecutor offered (and the judge was advising against it, that he could get less).
- even pushed for the next sentence to be done with, while serving time.
- none of the other guys got what he got. Because they fought it and got a slap on the wrist (just like everyone else that gets busted for animal fighting).
- donated money from the start
- when he got out he started working with peta. (Do you know how hard it's to be apart of them?).
- became a spokes person for several animal places....... So why would they be wanting him?
- he continues to donate and help for animals. (He no longer has to worry about the media. Yet he continues).


Who have you known that has done that much when getting busted?

As for his endorsements, he lost them and didn't get them back, ever. years after he started playing again, he got new ones. So you can throw that out the window with thinking he was trying to save them.

 

Good. I'm glad his plan to try to get them back failed. I'm sorry others actually gave him new ones. He's a bad guy and it speaks poorly of those who gave him new deals.

None of what he did while trying to rehabilitate his image changes what he did. thorn is right. He still has that in him.

Also, he didn't put himself in jail. He was going to jail. Did he get more time because he was famous and also stupid enough to smoke pot while the whole thing was going on? Probably, but he still did more than enough to earn the time he spent in jail.

 

Then i would find someone else to trade, claypool is gona be a beast In the future ..imo....

 

What about conditional picks based on performance next year. If Watson end up being suspended for all of 2022 and doesn't play at all you take away the picks.

Steelers offer 1st and 2nd round 2023 and 2024 picks if Watson throws for over 3,000 yard in 2022 and 2023.

If Watson get a lifetime ban it cost the Steelers nothing, if Watson get a 1 year ban and returns for the 2023 season they only owe a 1st and 2nd from 2024.

Right now there exists a possibility that Watson will never play another down in the NFL ever again. How can any team out there offer a trade knowing that Watson may be done with the NFL?

 

Steelers have become the designiated minority shelter of the NFL. Probably why Watson is likely to head to Pittsburgh if the Texans don't ask for an entire draft.

Remind me again about Michael Vick. Did he personally electrocute the dogs or did he watch while someone else did it? I haven't read the details on the case. I just know he supported it.

 

Big year for Chasey. He needs to take a step up and stop looking up on his back when he misses a throw. Took a step down last season. Start dominating. Needs a major improvement if your beast reference is going to happen.