Sensabaugh getting first team reps over Cockrell

I remember a guy on the old Official Steelers Message Board who used to tout his experience and ability as a player.

 

Talent wise I do believe it .The rules don't allow HS players to go straight to the pros. You see the 1 and done in Basketball all the time . Elite HS players who don't need college .

There is elite Football talent like that as well .One I can remember is Marcus Peters , I was pimping him while he was in HS . His HS play would be better than our current DB play. A few other guy's who were considered elite HS talent was Julio Jones,Jamis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Dez Bryant,OJ Howard to name a few.

Would you take a HS graduating Julio Jones or a College Graduate in JU JU ? I would take Jones both will probably need a few NFL seasons to play at a high level , but the skill of Jones would shine thru overall and Jones would probably have a longer NFL career because of less wear and tear .

Colleges don't really hone talent they actually abuse it .

 

How does this helping safety know exactly where to stand? And if the CB loses position early, how does help over the top actually help on anything other than deep routes?

 

The Safety lines up according to the scheme he is either inside the hash or outside the hash. If on the inside he is giving the CB outside leverage. The Safety will help protect Slants,Posts,In cuts and routes that such.

If the Safety is outside the hash he is giving the CB inside leverage. The Safety will help protect outs,flags,wheel routes things of that nature .

WR'S run option routes all the time depending on where the Safety is lined up.

 

Thoughtful and articulate.

 

it posted empty hit BS locked and cleared message .Sorry about that. By far the least I have ever had to say.lol

 

It's hilarious that you think an over the top safety would suddenly be "in the way" of a breaking route... again, utter nonsense.

Draw up Cover 2 Man (which is what you are attempting to describe). Every single breaking route would come in well under the cover 2 safety, who would be driving TOWARDS the route, not standing in it's path. The scenario you describe, would literally never happen. IF, they were NOT playing cover 2, and thus the safety is NOT over the top, then the WR beating the CB off the line is going to run the free go route that the pre snap alignment gave them.

 

You're an imbecile.

 

YES! You finally googled something and came back with an actual statement of fact.... But Watch out... you just ran into a logical fallacy related to your previous statement of utter idiocy (the ol' "WRs slow down because Safeties are standing in their way" nonsense).

I'll leave it to everyone else to laugh at the fallacy while you struggle to even figure it out.

 

That's not very nice

 

One conclusion drawn by PWP that I will agree with is that college coaches aren't necessarily interested in developing players for the NFL. I think a developmental league for players would be helpful for players who aren't quite ready. The experiment in Europe devolved from its original intent as developmental league and lost a lot of money. Since the NFL is content with the Power 5 conferences serving as de facto minor league, I doubt such a league would be considered again.

 

It's ok i have designed schemes that Coaches still employ til this day .It makes me laugh when he insults me . I am sure no Coach has any of his schemes on any level. I am also sure he is not getting calls from Coaches asking him to look at tape and give his opinion.

So the more he tries to insult me the better I feel. Thanks for the back though , but let him keep swinging his tooth pick trying to hit a home run.

 

No getting turned around one way is having Safety help to the sideline and falling for a double move where the WR fakes outside and the DB opens his hips to the sideline and then the WR actually runs a inside route .

Now the CB must regate and try and play the inside route . This is not good at all as now the CB has no leverage and the help is further away from the WR route .

The correct way to play that is keep the inside leverage force the WR to choose the outside route of the option route and direct the route runner towards the help.

Similar to how we get beat all the time across the middle with the Safeties outside the hash. Rule #1 in that D is never let a route runner cross your face . The math is simple there is no help between the middle. I could post play after play that we have allowed that for big plays.

Easy pitch and catch that's why the CB has to know what the DB behind him is doing.

I could go into the Waggle game and how the DB'S should role the coverage but the waggle has not yet reached a true threat in the NFL again . Trust this though it will out of the spread and zone read. When the NFL gets the skilled guys and the schemes to make that work Defenses will be looking for answers from lower level Football.

 

Thanks let me kick this up just a bit and expand on a few points .First 2 players that pop in my head are Heinz Ward and Armanti Edwards. Both of which where under sized QB'S with not great Arms or elite pocket presence,
They both had mad Football skills and could be used at other positions .Coaches chose to keep them at QB to win all they could win so they could collect their check.

After College they switched positions both got some NFL run 1 became great .What might have happened if they both got switched to WR in College ? Would Ward be the best WR to ever have a played instead of 1 of the best?

Would Armanti still be in the NFL ans 1 of the top WR'S in the game ?

Who knows but logic tells us that they should be better with 4 more years of experience at the position.

Which brings me to the straight out of HS thing .How did playing QB prepare them for WR play in the NFL ? I say very little or even none so anytime a player switches positions that he never played in College is that not very,very, similar from straight out of HS to the Pros?

Now if you thought about that seriously why would comparing a Elite talent at the correct position in HS be so far fetched that it would blow peoples minds ..

I just gave you 2 nice examples of 2 guys who went straight from HS to the pros because they got no work no training or no added skills to playing the WR spot while in College ...Peep that...

 

Guys on the plus side there is now video evidence of what PWP is talking about in the Burificut hit unfortunately if the try it, it probably will result in some type of suspension.

 

i don't know elvis, at 18 i knew more than my parents and had it all figured out.

 

I will be watching this weekend at my son's football game for our future DB.

 

every parent of every HS player in the country has an NFL ready kid playing.

 

Burns
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Sutton
Maybe gay at back safety instead of golden. Or do we cut gay all together. If they did it to polamalu...they certainly will do it to gay

 

At the little league field here in good old Maynardville TN there is a sign outside of each dugout explaining that "This is only a game. The coaches are VOLUNTEERS. The kids are NOT professional players." and the best one "No scholarships will be given out tonight". LOL! I honestly can't stand being around the parents that are so certain that their kid is a future superstar. A lot of that stuff is just parents living vicariously honestly. One kid on our tee ball team was already taking batting lessons and he was barely 6 years old and the lessons were $40 for like 20 or 30 minutes! My wife works with a little league coach from Knoxville and he said it was ridiculous to be doing that at that age. What's funny is the other day the kid's mom told my wife that he really didn't even want to move up to coach pitch but since his dad is so invested now I'd say that's why he is still actually playing. There was actually a documentary on HBO a couple of years ago about parents who think their kids are superstars and watching it made my blood boil looking at how some of those parents treated their kids over sports.

 

just the nature of the beast.

 

in this last preseason game i'd like to see burns, sutton as the starters, hilton in the slot and davis and allen or even dangerfield as the safeties. lets see what they do. mix some things up with then phillips, dixon, shepard and m. golden, allen, webb and hagan.