Secondary Woes

As i'm sure you have heard the news that Boykin didn't see the field due to Tomlin wanting to use other corners, this week he will be considered to be inserted into the line up. Considered?

 

What that picture doesn't show is Allen who is bigger then Boykins just ran into a NE pick play.

 

So I am guessing Cortez was his usual self Thursday?

 

He wasn't horrible but they don't utilize his size. He is big enough and fast enough he should be playing on the line at all times. He got a PI call but the call really could have gone either way since they both were hand fighting the whole way down the field. He was absolutely better then Blake though.

 

Good title.... was going to start one but ill post here.....

My thoughts are :

1) Edleman owned Blake!! Dont blame him, blame Lake and Butler!!! A slot WR runs a complete rte tree within the entire field. Blake has Never played slot corner....never! Always been outside.

2) With the personnel that was used they should have played Gay @ slot vs. Edleman. Yes Blake is the Younger quicker corner but knowledge of the wr rte tree and experience defending it goes to Gay. Hes more savy there than Blake, more experienced and a much better tackler.

3) Boykin is the best slot corner we have. Dont blame Lake or Butler for him not playing. Blame Tomlin,Colbert. The draft pick we ultimately give up for him depends on snap count %. Hold him out week 1, play him half the snap count week two then for the remainder of the season we can play him appx 45 snaps a game which is appx 65% and we keep our 4th rd pick and give up a 5 instead. Cover it up by saying--- " we're working him in as he grasp our defense and makes a case for himself"!!

4) Lake is not who we thought he was or hoped. Cortez development is slow, he was confused last year. The communication troubles we had last year is again present. Mitchell not playing much in preseason is an issue but honestly not terminal. What has happened to sharks development. Why is old man allen beating him out? Why was Gronk not covered at all on several occasions? And if a team is going to run crossing patterns at the LOS ( legal pick plays) you must adjust the depth ( stagger ) the corners along the LOS to prevent this. They were ill prepared and poor adjustments throught the game.....That's coaching!!!! Thats Lake and Butler.

Cajun

 

Yes he was but Blake was playing out of position where Cortez wasn't. Why get mad at Timmons for playing poorly at OLB.... not his forte.

Cajun

 

That is true but Blake also missed tackles but then again the entire defense missed tackles.

 

Blake and Gay are free agents next year. I wonder what they are going to do there. I would bring Gay back at the right price but to me they have to try and sign the best corner on the market next year. We are going to have some cap space to play with so they have to get this secondary fixed.

 

This is such Bull.
They aren't holding Boykin back for draft pick reasons. Lol

 

I would be wholly surprised if Allen's problems last year were about his development alone. Give him a few games, see where he's at. There were clear issues there, and all pointers were to things outside of actual skill or smarts.

However, I do agree with you on the slot/outside thing. Gay is a slot corner, and that's where he should play. He's the best blitzing corner we have. He reads the play well. This is why I've always wanted him to go to Safety.

I think PWP said it a while ago, that the problem with the secondary is that all of them are basically slot guys. Except for Blake, who is best going man to man against deep routes. How they were lining him up on Thursday was a headscratcher, to be sure.

 

Thanks. I think Allen will be a solid #2.. just needs time and to play with his strengths. He is overpaid but hopefully can be serviceable. Boykin will be our best corner but I think he should be utilized all over the place, since he can make plays. #1, #2, slot, nickel etc. We don't have a true #1 nor do I see one coming soon lol

 

Not enough talent at the CB position and no awareness or ball skills at the Safety positions ....No Coach could make this group great .No front 7 can make this group great.

I blame Colbert . When the NFL started changing his draft approach should have been changing . As I stated in the draft forum he should have went DB,DB,DB, or moved up .We need at least 4 new players back there .A NFL Team should never be in that bad a shape...

 

some good safeties would help everything in the defensive backfield. boykin and gay should be starting at the corners and tez should be playing the slot. thats where he has had the most success since he's been here. find a decent coverage safety that isn't 33 years old. put mitchell as the ss where he could be effective. sit blake who was nothing more than a special teamer on the bench or back playing ST's. i still think grant could play FS or cortez, but let's end this blake experiment until we get better coaching. as far as joey and carnell, i love them as players but i don't think they are experienced enough as coaches.

 

They were bad. Most everyone expected this. They will get better as the season roles on. With our offence (when its full speed), they will have things much more in their favor. Easy to play dback up 21 with your pass rushers not worrying about the run.

 

Things got worse for our secondary. Apparently our savior mr Boykin has been playing stiff. He was out of today's practice from a groin injury. Didn't list if was serious or not. Cortez also sat out. Injury bug, nothing new. carry on

 

really? they were worse than you expected? Could be good discussion. Why did you think the Steelers defensive backs would do better?

 

Figured this was appropriate for this post lol. Although it's poking fun at us, I still laughed at it

 

Your right on the money Mac, if they are holding Boykin out to save from paying a 4th to a fifth then shame on the Steelers. Player developement is lacking in the Steeler organization.

 

Our CB's will rebound against San Fran, no doubt in my mind. Their WR's aren't the same as the Edelman/Amendola type; they are either big and physical (Boldin) or big and fast (Smith). We can match up with that. They don't have slick moves, stop/start suddenness, or Tom Brady. Edelman will get his 9.0 ypc all year against every team. I wouldn't be shocked if he hauls in more than 100 catches this year, and here we are dogging our CB's because they didn't shut down a well-versed attack.

Edelman didn't kill us, it was Gronk. And that's mainly on the LB's and to a lesser extent the safeties. The 49ers will get their yards - everyone will - but if we get killed again it'll be because of Davis abusing our LB's. I think Reggie Bush is out, because with him and Davis that'd be a problem for our safeties and LB's.

I think we are getting an acceptable return on investment from our CB's. The DB group is next in line for an overhaul, and we'll see some top talent trickle in like we have seen with our other position groups. But until then I think we can make a living with who we have. I'm obviously in the minority here, but when our defense starts to become coordinated I think more will climb on board and say "hey, these guys aren't that bad!"

 

i do hope they get better, but we are not talking about guys that are brand new to each other and playing together. that's my biggest problem. the confusion and leaving players uncovered. golden,blake,gay,cortez,mitchell, and allen have been here together for a couple of years or more, or have at least been through two training camps together, this level of confusion shouldn't still be happening by pro athletes that have played and practiced together. it doesn't matter who the competition is. they should be well above this level of confusion.

 

They are bad and will continue to be so . They will look o.k. against average WR'S and average QB'S . They will look like dirt against any elite at either position. The problem is a lot of Teams have that type of talent . If the 49rs. get the running game going then they will be in huge trouble again this week trying to guard the PA pass...

This Team can't afford to give any help in stopping the run , this Team can't afford to blitz any DB'S , the bottom line is that the group is just weak ...Will Allen soon to be out of the NFL. Shamarko soon to be out of the NFL. Blake probably a career back up. Cortez Allen a career back up. Mike probably a journey SS . How in the world do you expect a group like that to look good ?

I predict Hyde will go off San Fran has a powerful OL and as I stated we can't come help, as soon as we do we will get burnt . We can win , but again we will need 30 plus to do so.

 

it will be up to our front 7 to take care of their business in stopping the run. same as the whole defense needs to do their jobs. i don't buy into the fact edelman is to small and quick and gronk is too big and we should do better against other receivers that don't pose that type of threat. this is the nfl and they are all good. you should be able to handle all types of threats if you want the big prize. we aren't talking about rookies at any phase of our defense. i believe it comes down to two things, talent and coaching.

 

Blake looks to be on his way over but both Gronk and Edelman (or maybe Amendola?) are uncovered. This whole play was just a giant cluster

 

I knew it was bad , but damn . 1 defender trying to cover 2 and then 1 guy not being covered at all . They make a little known secret for plays such as that ......TIME OUT....TIME OUT.... Someone in that secondary has to be smart enough to see that play is doomed ......