Saw on ESPN this morning

Aside from the history lesson, which I think is a joke of a comparison, tomlin will right the ship. The post on who players want to play for and al michaels talking of a great motivator, keep tomlin in high regard.

As I have tried to bring up previously, this team, I don't believe, has the vet leadership needed. This has caused tomlin to be much more of a players coach. This style is not his style.

We lost a lot in the offseason. Talent that was dwindling but leadership that was needed to gel the team. Certain players being injured hurts but as Troy has said being injuries give a different perspective on the game and ultimately the team.

The term player coach is over used but it's value isn't understood. We have new guys stepping into a role that they may not have been ready to take. This season has been full of questions and namely leadership. Tomlin tried to take the reins but it will lead only to cowher years( bash me if you will he won one Super Bowl. He was an emotional leader not a strategist).

This year isn't lost and not is tomlin. But, there are far larger things at work. Just like anything it's a business and our business is about to be on the up. This year or not we are building something great.

From,
The Steel City

 

I have to agree for the most part with you Shaner. I normally don't like to publicly bash players or coaches, but something just doesn't feel right with Tomlin. I hope things can work out with him and he can bring some stability back to the team, but I fear his days in the Burgh may be over by the end of next season if things don't turn around.

 

Yes the history lesson was silly. I was just linking articles that showed where this may be all coming from.

 

lets say he does comeback to coaching, why woudnt he com back to pitt,?? we have the bst ownership in the leag

 

just think he would want something he could put his stamp on more , a challenge .... its been said to death many times many places but I suspect the Panthers , close to home , has some pieces to build upon ... maybe the Browns or Chiefs as well he has connections in both cities .. I just find it hard to believe a guy as competitive as Bill Cowher can be satisfied for any real length of time sitting on a set .. his girls are older now , his wife is gone he has nothing but time to throw into it ... we will see I am probably wrong but I have a feeling

 

I just don't think he'll come back to coaching at all. He has said he loves working for CBS, he signed a contract extension with them and he has been very quick to shoot down rumours of him coming back to coaching. The signs just aren't there. I just get the feeling he doesn't want to come back.

 

Its called ego. Been there, done that.

 

I'm not on the fire Tomlin bandwagon, but I was extremely disappointed that he decided not to go for two against the Chargers Sunday which would have at least gotten the Steelers within striking distance. His reason? Because the situation was "bleak". He gave up on the team. What would he have done had one of his players given up? He was basically conceding the loss at that point. In the words of a former coach, " you play to WIN the game!".

 

I thought he said something about trying to sneak back in the game. By going for 1 instead of 2 it kept the Chargers in a prevent type defense?

 

That's not what I read. What I read from Tomlin is that he felt we weren't able to stop the Chargers, so he didn't want our 2 point plays on tape. He wanted to save them for a future date. Basically he gave up on the game.

 

From Ron Cook's article in the PPG:
Then, there was Tomlin's decision not to go for 2 points against the Chargers with 6:07 left after the Steelers scored to make it 34-16. A successful 2-point play would have brought them within two possessions of tying the score. They kicked to make it 34-17 and it stayed a three-possession game.
Tomlin explained after the game that he didn't want to put his 2-point plays "on tape," presumably not to reveal confidential information to future opponents. Silly, right? Well, as crazy as that was, Tomlin -- normally a fluid public orator -- made even less sense Tuesday when he talked incoherently about hoping to force the Chargers into their clock-killing offense instead of allowing them to keep their full playbook open. Say what?
The best guess here is that Tomlin was saying he didn't think his defense could stop Rivers and the Chargers. More likely, Tomlin simply believed the game was over.
"It was bleak at that point," he said Tuesday.
What an amazing admission.
You want to blame Tomlin for something, blame him for quitting on the game. The Steelers almost certainly would have lost, anyway. But they had no chance after he gave up. What a sad message to send to your team.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...to-be-more-professional-666074/#ixzz2EzpJlBXI

 

Because he's going to be the next coach of the Wisconsin Badgers! raying: I wish...

 

Something else that everyone has glossed over...not going for the onside kick after the last TD to make it 34-24. I know there was roughly 1/2 minute left, but kicking off is giving up too. At least attempt the onside. If nothing else it gives you practice in a game situation. Maybe he didn't want to put their onside kick plays on tape either?

 

Yeah I knew he said something silly. Poor coaching for sure. I'm hoping he is able to get a handle on the situation and we make a run these last few games. Tomlin has had a lot to deal with this season and he's handled the issues better than average, but no where near the Steelers standard.

 

Tomlin wont be mailing in the season. He is not a quitter. Everyone gets down on Tomlin that he is this or that, lacks the intensity.,.. You never see him go after players and blah blah blah .. Well nobody can say that now. He is benching people and making players accountable for their actions or in some case inaction. Yes there are a few exceptions which I personally wish there were not ... Wallace needs to ride some pine as does Brown for his stupidity in the end zone.

My point is Tomlin is starting to get in the faces of the players so maybe that poll that was taken regarding players in the NFL and who they would choose as their coach was all BS.

Some of the more notables was the benching of the RBs for their dismal performances, suspended Mendy for a week because he was inactive and decided not to show up at the game ( incidentally Mendy stated he was not aware when inactive he had to show at the game ) lol

For the record I like the new Tomlin. He needs to do more of this to get this ship right. It wont happen overnight because Tomlin essentially has done an about face. The players never saw it coming or did any of us fans. We need more of this and because players are being held accountable and being benched and what not its causing issues relative to the cohesiveness of the team and execution. We suck right now but if Tomlin continues to do this eventually the players that are serious about playing at a high level will be the only personnel on the field.

BMan

 

SteelGlen, you are right..I also read where he said something about sneaking in blah, blah blah. I hadn't heard/read this particular article but HOLY CRAP!! I, too, just feel something is off with Tomlin and this team and this article just confirms it.

 

We have vets and plenty of them. If what you say is true, that there is no vet leadership, then shame on Roethlisberger, Clark, Starks, Foote, Keisel...want me to continue? Those are guys that have been damn good at their positions throughout their careers so why NO apparent leadership from them? Speaks to the player and all the BS comments we keep hearing on interviews doesn't mean crap! I can't believe that Ward and Farrior were the only two vet guys that could deliver leadership!

 

I live locally, I have not heard these rumors,
I do know that MT is not well liked here in Western Pa,
People here want to see MT step up to another level,
is he up to it does he have it in his making? I am not so
sure. Lets just say he is no Chuck Noll.

 

Kiesel said the team wasn't ready to play against San Diego, that's on the players.

 

is it ?

who's job is it to have the players ready to play ?

ponder that a moment before you answer because if it is the players job why do they need a coaching staff ?

 

in our case yes since they are in self- managing mode from cowher left

 

It is? Then perhaps we should just fire Tomlin since we don't need a coach at all

 

Yeah, let's just get rid of Tomlin and bring in Whisenhunt. BTW, how is that working out for the Cardinals? Oh, and then there's BA. That guy was the devil himself. I wonder how the Colts are in the position they're in. I mean, if they beat the Texans they'll put themselves in position to win their division. Of course, no one on this board will give BA any credit for that. I'll stick with Tomlin as I'm sure the Rooney's will too!

 

I wld say it's wrked out for Whiz, he took the cards to the SB, and hasent had a QB since. The Steelers where loaded with talent when Tomlin took over, Wht makes yopu think he cld do a good job, with lesser talent? Lst years season was bad and this one is looking a whole lot worse