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Roethlisberger: Washington needs to make that catch

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    This x 1000

    People are being shortsighted and making this about a mistake, it’s more than that missed catch.

    I’ve seen people saying well why isn’t Ben calling out Conner and Vance? Because they have been producing all year, that’s why.

    It’s not about 1 mistake, it’s about a player who has 8 catches on the year and needs to get going. Sweed got like 20 games I believe before they gave up on him. They are almost through a whole season with JW. This carries over to next season he will begin losing playing time and will just get harder on him to earn his spot.
     
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  2. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    Blast, I am not mad that Ben said anything as a matter of fact that is what he should do no matter what Ben's play was this past week. My issue is typical Ben when things go wrong he tells the media everything. This goes all the way back to when Cowher was the coach and they weren't on the same page about the injuries. That is a whole topic and history that is not what I am wanting to get into. My issue is a few different things. First Ben calling out JW in the media, I just feel like if you do that it is more harm than good, jmo. Second, the amout of people that want to see JW benched. Come on this is a guy who is at best the 4th target on this team. AB, Juju, Conner, Vance all being guys that are "our weapons", JW has the 6th most targets on the team. JW has 25 targets with 8 receptions, I am curious how many of them drops or missed passes were JW's fault meaning very catchable balls. I know I have seen some easy drops but I also have seen some bad passes to him. Is there a way to see all JW's targets?

    I am by no means trying to put this on Ben but my point is a lot of talk here this week is about how bad JW is. My point is while many have gone back and forth on whether or not JW should have dove and or caught it, that is not why we lost the game. You can't turn the ball over 4 times, get a fg blocked and have as many penalties as we did and come out with a win. We have all spent a week talking about JW who has the 6th most targets on this team(6 in the last 3 games) and act like this is why we just lost our last game.
     
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  3. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    The bottom line on Washington is that he isn't producing. He had an opportunity to make a big play, possibly a long touchdown, by simply doing the thing he supposedly does best. As much as anything, he was drafted for his ability to make big plays down the field. He failed. It is one part of him not getting the job done.

    Did that one play lose the game for the Steelers? I don't think that would be fair to say, but it was one among the mistakes that handed the game to the Broncos. Of all the players who made huge mistakes Sunday, Washington is the one who has done the least. He is also one they are counting on for much bigger things in the future. Grimble has been mostly useless, too, but there isn't any upside there. Grimble is what he is and nothing more. If Washington is what he has shown so far, he will be a huge disappointment.
     
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  4. groutbrook

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    Steelers fans. The toughest, right?...
     
  5. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    exactly. He is failing almost at every opportunity thrown his way, literally. Make the most of it.
     
  6. SteelerGlenn

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    Like I said for me personally a guy criticizing me after he just made mistakes is not going to do much for me. Probably just piss me off and have a negative affect.
    And then if he went out blabbing about it in public he’d be getting his ass kicked.

    My personal opinion is Ben had no call to be criticizing anyone after his boneheaded throw at the end of the game. And if he wanted to pull the team captain/veteran leader card then he should have not done it on the radio.
    Again my personal opinion is he screwed up and just wants to let everyone else know others screwed up too so he doesn’t look so bad.

    With all that said I still Love Ben and look forward to him whooping the Chargers!
     
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  7. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    don't you dare speak down on the goat again. Apologies with kneeling are accepted lol
     
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  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    On the media part, I'm sure they have spoken to him quite a bit, they've played 11 games, I'm sure they have discussed it with him ad nauseam. Maybe this will work.

    As for targets, yes, I've actually posted it somewhere but to sum up, he doesn't have many targets but what he does have is a ton of snaps. He's not putting himself in position for Ben to throw him the ball and when he does, he's not coming through.

    As for benching him, I'm not calling for that, mostly because there is no one to replace him with but if Eli practices well and they decide to activate him, I bet they try him. Not sure how good he will do on the outside but Washington has about equal distribution of targets in the middle and outside. Eli isn't going to help them deep though, so I'm hoping Bens words resonate with JW.
     
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  9. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    Looks like aaron rodgers blasts his teammates publicly lately as well:

    At 34 years old, Rodgers admitted that he's probably not as patient with the younger players as he used to be.

    "I'm getting older and grumpier," Rodgers said. "I've been at this for a long time. I'm tired, too; we're all a little tired. When you get a little tired, the fuse gets a little shorter. Again, you're in like the 14th play of a 14-play drive and you've got low effort level and an MA [missed assignment], that's a little frustrating."

    Although it's not necessarily concerning that Rodgers is calling his teammates out, the Packers might want to be slightly concerned with the fact that Rodgers has been been making it a habit of voicing his frustrations publicly this year.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ers-players-for-piss-poor-effort-in-practice/
     
  10. bigbenhotness

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    it should be

    1. brown
    2. juju
    3. switzer
    4. washington/eli = whoever produces
     
  11. Formerscribe

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    When people say Eli Rogers can't replace Washington, I wonder what games they have been watching. Washington is often the motion man in the slot, exactly the type of role Rogers has played in the past.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I dont care about JWs work in the middle of the field, I’d rather see them just increase Switzers snaps there. Of all Eli’s snaps last year, you know how many times he was targeted on the pass JW dove for? Once, and he didn’t catch it either.

    They need a deep threat which will open things up for AB. Eli won’t give them that.
     
  13. Formerscribe

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    They do need somebody to take on Martavis Bryant's old role. Sadly, they don't have anyone who can do it. Heyward-Bey can't catch. Hunter can't get the separation and doesn't make the play on contested balls. Washington hadn't been getting the separation either and he blew it once he finally did get open last week. At least Rogers can get open and catch the ball, which is more than we're seeing from any of the supposed deep threats.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree. If/when Rogers is ready to play again and JW is still struggling, they should give him a shot. I just don't know that we should expect much from him when he is coming off a significant knee injury and being asked to produce in a way he wasn't called upon very often to do in the past.
     
  15. NY STEELERFAN

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    Un(bleeping)real man I just can't believe you. You want to talk about a player who has 25 targets 6 in the last 3 games as a reason why we lost???? A rookie who has limited playing time you want to add to the disappointment list....wow. First off none of us can tell if JW didn't dive and caught the ball that he was gonna score. It was gonna be a hard catch and maybe put him off balance or caught from behind, but the is pure speculation as him not diving being a sure td.

    You talk about me looking at Ben wrong you are putting way to much stock in the production out our #6 most targeted player. If we give him more playing time we take away from the guys ahead of him them people will be mad that they aren't throwing to AB, Juju, Vance or Conner enough.
     
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  16. Formerscribe

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    Minimal playing time? Have you seen how often he is on the field? He's out there. He's just not doing anything with the snaps he is getting. As of right now, I don't know how you can view him as anything but a disappointment. That is not the same thing as a bust. It's too early to say he was a bad pick. Maybe he just needs more time and he certainly has the ability to justify giving it to him.

    I have gone out of my way to say it wasn't a guaranteed touchdown more than once, so in that area your characterization of my post is incorrect.

    Dropping a play that would have at least put the team in field goal range on a drive that ultimately led to no points is a big deal. If you don't think plays like that have an impact, I'm wasting my time even trying to reason with you. I said it was one of many mistakes that helped hand the game to the Broncos and that is absolutely correct.

    The guy did absolutely nothing positive in the game and he made a huge mistake that cost the team at least a field goal attempt. In a one-score game, that is a significant mistake.
     
  17. NY STEELERFAN

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    All I can say blast is that the last game we had plenty of guys going deep, I mean Juju did do it for 97 right? I feel with so many weapons just about all our WR's can be deep threats, no?
     
  18. NY STEELERFAN

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    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
  19. THREE RIVER SHIVER

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    2nd round pics have to produce. He's on the field plenty and has not done anything ...PERIOD...He has been given an opportunity to start on a pretty potent offense and has not been able to do squat!!!He surely did not cost us the game, but its about time he gets his big boy pants on and catches a few balls.If you were hired for a job and could not contribute you boss would be looking for a replacement.
     
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  20. THREE RIVER SHIVER

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    I have not given up on the kid by any stretch, but college is over and your a professional now. A high draft pick is expected to bring something to the table. A little tough love aint ever hurt anyone
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    JuJu ran a slant and took it to the house. Thats not a deep threat. Although he certainly could be used in that fashion, they need that 3rd receiver to fill that role. Having to account for someone going deep AND defending JuJu and AB makes life much harder for a defense. JW was drafted in part to replace Bryant and is failing miserably. To put it in perspective, Bryant didn't get on the field until week 7 and he ended up with 360 snaps, 31 receptions for 610 yards and 9 TD's. JW has played the whole year, accumulating 383 snaps and only 8 receptions for 77 yards and 1 TD to show for it.

    I don't care that Ben critiqued him in public, do whatever you have to to get this kid going because his production is completely unexceptable.
     
  22. Formerscribe

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    That really doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

    By the way, I just heard Washington's interview. He clearly said more than once that he should have run through the ball. Even Washington agrees with what Roethlisberger about his mistake on that play.
     
  23. bigbenhotness

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    Washington edmunds Rudolph all suck lol
     
  24. Clive From PIT

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    Man, this place has gotten bicker-y lately.
    :puking2:
     
  25. thesteeldeal

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    Nice......
     

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