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Roethlisberger on Matt Canada

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelersfan43, Nov 30, 2023.

  1. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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  2. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I saw that. Just makes me more angry they held onto Canada so AS NOT to hinder Picketts development by bringing in a new OC :goofy:
     
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  4. pczach

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    The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think they were just spewing bs and it was nothing more than not wanting to fire a coach under contract. They really are stubborn.

    Think how much better they could be right now and how much further along Picketts would be had they made the change during last offseason.
     
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  6. Joshi

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    I have heard that the Rooney family hesitance to fire a coordinator mid-season is that the team can feel pressure to hire the replacement at the end of the season whereas the team prefers to have an unencumbered search/interview process to look for a replacement. This may mean “sacrificing” a season but it is likely a useful long term philosophy.
     
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  7. pczach

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    Maybe, but by firing someone mid-season they get to see someone within the team run the same system with some tweaks, some new plays, and some new ideas and the use of players. If they wait till the end of the season, they also possibly lose the current season when they are in position to make the playoffs and do some damage if the offense is better. I think that had to be the reasoning this time. The team is good enough to win, they needed to be put in the best position possible to win, and Canada was not the guy to do it.

    I'm not directing this at you. I am simply giving reasons why the opposite of the thinking you have heard also make sense.
     
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  8. Brice

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    I watched that episode yesterday and what Ben did not talk about was Matt Canada the QB coach. Ben talked about how in years past sometimes his QB coach would be the go between between him and the OC, with Haley, Arians.

    I wonder if Ben just went straight to Randy and had no relationship with Matt Canada. The 2 years before Canada was brought in the Steelers did not have a QB coach at all.
     
  9. OB1

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    How did they hire Canada in the first place??
     
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  10. Vox Ferrum

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    I get it, it's like guaranteed money you lose, IDK if the write off is different, but they lose cash every year when players get waived. I know the accounting is different. one is you paid a guy and he did not work out, money already spent, but in the end a loss is a loss, you keep a guy to earn his pay, when the production sucks?? We are not talking Raider or Panther HC buy outs here, IDK what he made (read somewhere is was under a million). just be done with it.
     
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  11. Joshi

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    I think that with all philosophies/rules, there have to be exceptions and I agree with you that in some cases the exception makes more sense than the rule. I certainly agreed that Canada had to be let go at all costs. It maybe “easy” as an owner with a 100 year window to have this particular philosophy, but try telling players in a profession wherein the average playing career is less than 3 years that you are sacrificing a season for a long term philosophy.
     
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  12. Thor

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    Damn. Where's Silverback when you need him.
     
  13. Blast Furnace

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    :eek:

    Careful now, say his name two more times and he’ll appear.
     
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  14. Thor

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    Thanks for the intervention.

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  15. Steel_Elvis

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    An owner shouldn’t be willing to sacrifice a season when he has a generational talent like Watt and All Pros like Minkah and Heyward under contract.
     
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  16. dobbler-33

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    Don’t know if Mike pulled the trigger or Jr. pulled the trigger. Don’t know if Mike just had to keep him first off or if Jr. decided to keep him… either way, Non air Canada had to go regardless. If the dude is as hands off or as brash as some of the talk suggests then I’m really miffed as to why it took so long much less happened to begin with. It really seemed like he took Randy’s book and decided to see if that basement had any lower levels. Crazy.
     
  17. steelersrule6

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    It has been reported that Canada didn't accept any input from the other coaches on offense, I bet he wasn't well liked by the team.
     
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  18. Lizard72

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    Which makes it even wilder that they kept him that long!

    What kind of leadership is that? We don't even work like that for the most part in the military!
     
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  19. uncblue012

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    Literally, none of the news coming out about Matt Canada is shocking. The dude was an absolute cesspool for this team.
     
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  20. steel machine

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    Maybe Canada is lucky like the Carolina Panther fired Coach. Still owed 25 million. Sports has to be the only profession where you get fired and still make a ton of money. Frank Vogel, an NBA HC I know is still waiting on money the Lakers owe him.
     
  21. shaner82

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    I think they believe in the Steelers Way BS. That's not a real thing. Retaining coaches forever makes for a great news article, but that's it. Keeping coaches long term is no more the key to success than firing them every year. Neither is necessarily the right or wrong answer. You need the right coaches in place, just like you need the right players. Coaches can learn and develop the same way players can, but we all have a ceiling. If a guy isn't cut out for the job, no amount of consistency will change that. Some people are just not very good at their jobs and they should be replaced, sometimes quickly.
     
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  22. Joshi

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    This is the most important question as it has to be something to learn from.
     
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  23. steelersrule6

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    Former college coach Jimbo Fisher got fired last month, and Texas SA&M owes him like 76 million, nice work if you can get it.
     
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  24. shaner82

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    Canada's NFL career is probably over. If I was him, I'd rather the career over the immediate money
     
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  25. Blast Furnace

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    It’s over as an OC anyway. It’s possible he can still gets a job as a QB coach but I think he ends up back in college.
     

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