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Redman says hip/groin could bother him all year

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TwentyFourSeven, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. TwentyFourSeven

    TwentyFourSeven Well-Known Member

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    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5544/isaac-redman

    Isaac Redman suggested Wednesday that the hip injury that temporarily sidelined him at Steelers camp could be a season-long issue.
    The injury has led to pain in Redman's groin. He doesn't need surgery, but may have to play through discomfort all year. "I'm not really sure how the hip is going to hold up or if it's going to hurt at all, or if I'm going to be fine," Redman said. "... It's pretty much a pain-tolerance thing. It might nag me throughout the year. I'm just going to have to fight through." His window of fantasy value has been cut to three games with Rashard Mendenhall due back after the Steelers' Week 4 bye, and it now sounds like Redman may not even be 100 percent during that span. Look for Redman to play in an early-season rotation with Jonathan Dwyer and impressive rookie Chris Rainey. We wouldn't draft Redman in fantasy leagues. Aug 23 - 7:26 AM
    Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
     
  2. Blast Furnace

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    *looks over at Mac* boy am I glad he got his preseason reps in :bscow:
     
  3. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Im pretty sure i read he did it before the season
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    all the guys that are hurt this year and i guess it's my fault redman is hurt. if he sat the whole preseason do you think they would start him over a healthy back anyway? and yes TE it is his hip. he hurt it during fri. night lights and there ain't a thing they can do about it, so sitting won't help it. those are his own words about it. good God nobody should practice because they might get hurt. our best backs are practicing anyway. :cool:
     
  5. Blast Furnace

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    all the guys that are hurt this year and i guess it's my fault redman is hurt. if he sat the whole preseason do you think they would start him over a healthy back anyway? and yes TE it is his hip. he hurt it during fri. night lights and there ain't a thing they can do about it, so sitting won't help it. those are his own words about it. good God nobody should practice because they might get hurt. our best backs are practicing anyway. :cool:[/quote:1txau0oa]

    Just having fun with you Mac :hehehe:

    ps... he should have sat, GOT IT?!?
     
  6. HugeSnack

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    all the guys that are hurt this year and i guess it's my fault redman is hurt. if he sat the whole preseason do you think they would start him over a healthy back anyway? and yes TE it is his hip. he hurt it during fri. night lights and there ain't a thing they can do about it, so sitting won't help it. those are his own words about it. good God nobody should practice because they might get hurt. our best backs are practicing anyway. :cool:[/quote:2frjsex4]
    I'm wondering if it's his hip flexor. I pulled that badly playing soccer when I was 12. I had never even heard of it until I injured it. It's the muscle that lifts your leg up. It's next to the groin, on the front of the leg and not the inside. Sort of between the groin and the hip. You could probably call it either. It's not like other muscles. It doesn't hurt all the time. There were half a dozen times when I thought I was ready to come back, and then I'd kick the ball a certain way or take a stride a certain way and it would hurt all over again. I wound up missing about a month.

    http://www.sports-injury-info.com/image-files/hip-pain-hip-flexor.jpg

    I'm not calling Redman a liar, but it would certainly make him look worse if it was the same injury and better if it was a different injury. From what I can see after perusing online briefly, it looks like most people are saying it's a hip/groin injury, or a hip and groin injury. I certainly don't know the truth, but I would say it's possible it was an aggravation to the same injury followed by a mini cover-up. They make stuff up with injuries all the time. It's not perjury. Sometimes they make up injuries altogether to make a benched player look not so bad. I'd also say it's possible that they are separate injuries, but the first one helped the other one. Playing hurt opens you up to new injuries, especially with delicate stuff like the groin. I'd also say it's possible that they are completely unrelated and the timing is just very, very unfortunate for mac. That seems to be mac's position.
     
  7. TerribleTowelFlying

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    I had a hip flexor injury when I was 17, and I was out of any meaningful sports participation for 3-4 weeks, too. I have no idea what the specifics of Redman's injury are.
     
  8. PWP

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    Don't believe the hype,draft my Homie....Redman was hurt and he is a lot better now....I think he ruffled some feathers when the world new he had a MRI scheduled and hid OC did not...I am sure Coach T had the [you don't talk ot side of school talk esp. about being hurt]Now Redman is going in the way opposite direction as he should be....Redman has practiced all week,no reports of Injury from him or the Team...Redman is ready so let the people that don't know prepare other wise,,

    Trust Me Zone is coming.....Not just Redzone Redman,but all the way Redman......Even though all the way for him has increased from 20 yards to 30 Yards ,it is still all the way it might take a couple or 3 totes though.........
     
  9. Blast Furnace

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    I'm wondering if it's his hip flexor. I pulled that badly playing soccer when I was 12. I had never even heard of it until I injured it. It's the muscle that lifts your leg up. It's next to the groin, on the front of the leg and not the inside. Sort of between the groin and the hip. You could probably call it either. It's not like other muscles. It doesn't hurt all the time. There were half a dozen times when I thought I was ready to come back, and then I'd kick the ball a certain way or take a stride a certain way and it would hurt all over again. I wound up missing about a month.

    http://www.sports-injury-info.com/image-files/hip-pain-hip-flexor.jpg

    I'm not calling Redman a liar, but it would certainly make him look worse if it was the same injury and better if it was a different injury. From what I can see after perusing online briefly, it looks like most people are saying it's a hip/groin injury, or a hip and groin injury. I certainly don't know the truth, but I would say it's possible it was an aggravation to the same injury followed by a mini cover-up. They make stuff up with injuries all the time. It's not perjury. Sometimes they make up injuries altogether to make a benched player look not so bad. I'd also say it's possible that they are separate injuries, but the first one helped the other one. Playing hurt opens you up to new injuries, especially with delicate stuff like the groin. I'd also say it's possible that they are completely unrelated and the timing is just very, very unfortunate for mac. That seems to be mac's position.[/quote:1scdz84h]

    Mark my words, this is going to dog him all year, hip flexor makes alot of sense given your description of it. And not offering full disclosure isn't exactly the same as lying. As people pointed out when Ben disclosed his sore shoulder, it's not always in the best interest to let everyone know how much you are hurting. Hopefully this is nothing too serious, hip injuries are not to be taken lightly, a hip injury deprived us of seeing who I think would have been the best RB to ever play the game, Bo Jackson.
     
  10. mac daddyo

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    what i have heard from redman is it was a hip injury that hurt into the groin area hence making them think it was the groin but it's always been the hip. this is what was said of the MRI results. a hip pointer or hip flexor seems about right. pinched nerve is a possibility. for the record, i have never said the guy should play or practice while hurt. i just said he could use the reps in practice to be ready for the season. it is the original injury that happened 3 weeks ago, he can either practice and play or sit out and don't play. i'm sure dwyer would be glad to go.

    here's my question to you all. do we beat the heck out of dwyer in the preseason and practice when he may be our starter? batch? certainly not rainey, i think we saw that last week. we are down clay,ford,redman and almost rainey last week, if anyone should sit more , i would think we want to keep dwyer healthy. he's already nursing a bruised shoulder. so who should we beat up before the season starts? who knows if redman will be ready or not by the opener? if this lingures on , how should we use dwyer from now til denver? :cool:
     
  11. SteelerJJ

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    The more prevalent running game this year could turn into more of a west coast screen/flare pass substitute if Mendy cannot come back near full strength and anyone else gets hurt.
     
  12. mac daddyo

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    thats possible. there's still time to bring somebody in to run some preseason snaps, until the walking wounded can come back. :cool:
     
  13. Jim90

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  14. blountforcetrauma

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    all the guys that are hurt this year and i guess it's my fault redman is hurt. if he sat the whole preseason do you think they would start him over a healthy back anyway? and yes TE it is his hip. he hurt it during fri. night lights and there ain't a thing they can do about it, so sitting won't help it. those are his own words about it. good God nobody should practice because they might get hurt. our best backs are practicing anyway. :cool:[/quote:1fxmq9rs]
    If he hurt it during Friday Night Lights that's pretty bad if football is so dangerous that you can get hurt by just watching a show about it. Wow.
     
  15. mac daddyo

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    If he hurt it during Friday Night Lights that's pretty bad if football is so dangerous that you can get hurt by just watching a show about it. Wow.[/quote:1khvlu3d]

    fall asleep, roll off the couch, it happens all the time. if you go to caseycouchpotato.stats it will show you it's the leading injury amongst players. :cool:
     
  16. SteelerGlenn

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    I can see if Tomlin was to play possum with someone like Troy or Ben, but Redman? He's a back up, iit's not like teams are all that worried about him. Not like he's been setting the league on fire.
     
  17. PWP

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    O.K. so you can see what you think you know,now let's look at what you don't....We have went to a run 1st. game and because of that Redman means Tons to how this O will go,,,esp being he is the starter for at least 25% of the season..Now lets approach your next point ...Teams are very worried about him Clevland players where crying about who was going to stop him....The Broncs where doing a lot of the same...Woodley states you better not try and bring him down with 1 guy it takes a Team to bring him down.....Colon stated Redzone is a load and you better pack your lunch...Pouncey stated that Red is as hard as runner as I have ever seen....Tomlin stated Redman's performane doesn't suprise me ,,,I and the Coaches know what he is capable of,and he has showed that tough style every since he has been here...

    As to the set the league on fire stuff..Hard to do that with a Bombs away OC....Hard to do that with limited snaps....Hard to do that when the QB admits he doesn't understand the run game...However,Red has set the league on fire ,but only in the post season until now....Redman had like a 6.2 YPC in our Superbowl run,Redman had over a 7.0 YPC last year in the post season...So I would say Redman has earned the respect of his CoachesRedman has earned the respect of his peers...The last ones to fall in line will be the Mendenhall crowd and pass Lovers....

    Redman is a Pure runner,he has power,he has agility,he has blocking ability,he has pass catching ability,he actually has deceptive speed as well....The bottom line is ,.,,,,,Redman is as Complete as any RB in the game..You can call him a scrub type if you want to???But you may be the next TSS....Just keep hating....
     
  18. SteelerGlenn

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    I don't hate Redman at all. I like him and think he will do well. I just don't understand why that's all you seem to talk about. It's a little over the top don't you think. As for run first, let's get some real games played and see how the O looks before we start claiming anything.
     
  19. BURGH43STEL

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    It is yet to be determined if the Steelers have went to a run 1st game. I believe they will continue to pass more then run.

    Teams are not concerned about Redman. Redman isn't a game changer nor is he a great player. Teams will be more concerned about the Steelers WR's. Being a big RB is the reason why Redman may not have a very long career in the NFL. RB's in general can't handle the pounding they take from bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic defensive players.

    Redman is as complete as any RB in the game? I know you are in love with Redman but what are you smoking?
     
  20. Blast Furnace

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    Is there anyone on this team that you believe is actually any good? :shrug: Ben can't execute at a high level, Redman is nothing special, are the WR's winning by default or are they any good?
     
  21. BURGH43STEL

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    Is there anyone on this team that you believe is actually any good? :shrug: Ben can't execute at a high level, Redman is nothing special, are the WR's winning by default or are they any good?[/quote:tnly1rut]
    Obviously, the Steelers have several good players.

    I never said Ben "can't execute at a high level". Ben's a good player that doesn't play well enough on a consistent enough basis to elevate the offense. The play of the QB generally determines the success of an offense.

    Redman isn't anything special.
     
  22. Blast Furnace

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    Is there anyone on this team that you believe is actually any good? :shrug: Ben can't execute at a high level, Redman is nothing special, are the WR's winning by default or are they any good?[/quote:2c3ti1y3]
    Obviously, the Steelers have several good players.

    I never said Ben "can't execute at a high level". Ben's a good player that doesn't play well enough on a consistent enough basis to elevate the offense. The play of the QB generally determines the success of an offense.

    Redman isn't anything special.[/quote:2c3ti1y3]

    Ah, yes, I stand corrected, I disagree but that's what you've said in the past and not what I posted. And while Red probably won't generate the numbers PWP is pimping, I think you may be selling him short. I guess we will find out soon enough, assuming his injury doesn't derail him.
     
  23. BURGH43STEL

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    Is there anyone on this team that you believe is actually any good? :shrug: Ben can't execute at a high level, Redman is nothing special, are the WR's winning by default or are they any good?[/quote:1jwhjww8]
    Obviously, the Steelers have several good players.

    I never said Ben "can't execute at a high level". Ben's a good player that doesn't play well enough on a consistent enough basis to elevate the offense. The play of the QB generally determines the success of an offense.

    Redman isn't anything special.[/quote:1jwhjww8]

    Ah, yes, I stand corrected, I disagree but that's what you've said in the past and not what I posted. And while Red probably won't generate the numbers PWP is pimping, I think you may be selling him short. I guess we will find out soon enough, assuming his injury doesn't derail him.[/quote:1jwhjww8]
    Show me where I've said that in the past?????????? My issue with Ben's play was/is inconsistency. Ben's play wasn't as consistent as it needed to be to take the offense to the next level. Ben didn't produce enough TD's passes to make the Steelers a top 5 scoring offense. I believe that's what it's going to take to make the Steelers offense a more consistent factor/top5 scoring offense.

    How did I sell Redman short by saying he isn't anything special? Redman may become a good player. I don't think Redman is a game changer.

    FYI, when I think of special RB's I think of the Andrian Peterson or Lashawn Mccoy type of RB's. Those types of RB's are game changers.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    Is there anyone on this team that you believe is actually any good? :shrug: Ben can't execute at a high level, Redman is nothing special, are the WR's winning by default or are they any good?[/quote:3f7r7kvq]
    Obviously, the Steelers have several good players.

    I never said Ben "can't execute at a high level". Ben's a good player that doesn't play well enough on a consistent enough basis to elevate the offense. The play of the QB generally determines the success of an offense.

    Redman isn't anything special.[/quote:3f7r7kvq]

    Ah, yes, I stand corrected, I disagree but that's what you've said in the past and not what I posted. And while Red probably won't generate the numbers PWP is pimping, I think you may be selling him short. I guess we will find out soon enough, assuming his injury doesn't derail him.[/quote:3f7r7kvq]
    Show me where I've said that in the past?????????? My issue with Ben's play was/is inconsistency. Ben's play wasn't as consistent as it needed to be to take the offense to the next level. Ben didn't produce enough TD's passes to make the Steelers a top 5 scoring offense. I believe that's what it's going to take to make the Steelers offense a more consistent factor/top5 scoring offense.

    How did I sell Redman short by saying he isn't anything special? Redman may become a good player. I don't think Redman is a game changer.

    FYI, when I think of special RB's I think of the Andrian Peterson or Lashawn Mccoy type of RB's. Those types of RB's are game changers.[/quote:3f7r7kvq]

    You misunderstood me, I was saying that I misquoted you about Ben but that I disagree and feel he can play well enough on a consistent basis to elevate this offense.

    As for Redman, we haven't seen him for a full season yet as a starter so hard to say he's not anything special. If he puts up numbers like pwp is projecting, that's pretty darn good.
     
  25. D0bre Shunka

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    Dueling exaggerations!

    Redman has speed and agility?!?!? Puhleeze, Redman is a power back w/ alot of heart and strength but speed and agility are not a part of his game. LMAO

    Ben has taken his team to two Superbowls. What level, in this game, is higher? Oh, I know they haven't been there every single season but that "inconsistent" QB has managed to get them to the playoffs more oft than not. I know, I know, it was the D and the great team around him that did a lot of that right? True enough, but it still takes and offense to score at least one more point than the opposing team to win those games and it takes a great QB to lead that O. A great QB does more than just throw the ball good, he actually sets the tone of the offense both in and out of season. Our offense actually believes we can win each and every game, thanks to Ben, and that's consistency.

    A pennies worth, Sheeesh
     

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