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Redman: Running back by committee no good.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree with him. He thinks he is going to start and wants to be the workhorse, says the way we did it last season makes it tough to get any rhythm. I was originally on board with the RB by committee thing because I figured it would wear the defense down and keep our RB's fresh but it doesn't work. I really hope they aren't planning on doing that again and have to think that most likely they won't since they drafted Bell and spoke about how he is a 3 down back and how that was a pivotal reason for drafting him.

    The article also goes on to mention that the coaches didn't feel Dwyer was taking his job seriously enough, thought the coaches didn't want him gone? Wag the dog continues! :lolol:

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...s-official-notification-701771/#ixzz2dqMU5kNA
     
  2. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    Every starting RB in the NFL will tell you this but I kinda think the "get in rhythm" stuff is a bunch of BS, personally. For a QB it can make sense, but your job is get the ball and run forward... It's not exactly rocket science.

    If Redman goes in there Sunday and is picking up yards, then by all means keep feeding it to him... but if he's not producing, I see no reason not to give Jones or LASH a chance just because you don't want a RBBC.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I disagree. What he says here makes sense to me:

    "Not to make an excuse, but it's hard to carry the ball maybe two series and then Dwyer goes in for two series and then you go in at halftime and maybe the defense is out there. You look up and you haven't carried the ball in a while, and it's hard to stay in that rhythm."

    I think rhythm is very important to a RB, not just QB's. If he's running like crap, sure, use someone else but if he's running good, leave him in, don't just automatically go into the game with the plan of swapping out each back after 2 series, that's dumb IMO.



     
  4. knab70

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    Place your starter keep your horse running not breaking stride and yes rhythm is important for a Back. (last yr.ridiculous) If he fails to produce then he's benched next man up! until then every series is off to the races!! By committee :bscow:
     
  5. mac daddyo

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    I think the change of pace rb by committee is to keep the defense guessing and chasing. this tire's them out. i'm OK with it. we have 4 capable backs, use them. each has a little different skillset. fresh legs helps, no tap out needed.:cool:
     
  6. HinesWardHOF

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    i totally agreee with the get in the rhythm thing... did you ever play a round a golf... and if things are moving at a 3 1/2 or 4 hour pace you shoot pretty well.. but if you get stuck behind a slowww 4some and you are looking at a 5 hour round where you are waiting on every shot you willl guaranteed shoot 5-10 strokes more... its liek getting in a grove shooting foul shots or anything... i agree with red...

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  7. numbah58

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    I agree completely about getting into a rhythm.
    It's that way in all sports IMO. It's called getting into "the zone" where you're not thinking but just reacting. It's very difficult to get to "the zone" first of all but even harder to stay in it when you're being pulled from the game.
     
  8. HinesWardHOF

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    but that was the plan last year and that worked for S*&T... why do it again.. i guess here is my Q... and i dont know the answer.. is there any or who was the last NFL team that used 4 RBs consistantly in a game (or even 3) and were successful.... by successful lets say in the top 25% of the league total yards? id love to see that .. the name of the team and who were the 4 RBs

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  9. HinesWardHOF

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    right.. its like a guy that normally doesnt shoot 3 pointers has 9 in a game and cant miss.. they are as #58 said IN THE ZONE... hard to be in a zone and impossible to stay in it when you play for a series then sit out the next 3 or more... to me if you keep going you dont get as tired as if you stop for 20 minutes and go back to doing whatever you were doing... and thats tells me we got 4 guys that arnt really worth a damn... no one stands out and how many years have we been like this without a feature back (that was healthy and not pouting on the bench)

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  10. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    AGREED! And all you have to do is look at how well that RBBC thing worked last year. Yeah, that's what I thought.
     
  11. CK 13

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    Bell was drafted to be the workhorse, to end the running back by commitee crap. Unfortunatly the horse has a bad shoe. Once he gets on the field he will carry the load.
     
  12. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    HA HA! Yeah this....

    Redman totally benefits from multiple carries. The Bus did too. That is why I am surprised they actually kept Redman. Unless he is insurance if Bell goes down for the year, and they deactivate Redman for games unless something like that happens??? Otherwise I do feel he is useless coming in to spell people for a series. Dwyer might have been better for that.

    On Tunch and Wolf today they were mentioning there was a rumor that Dwyer would show up late to meetings and stuff. If that is the case Dwyer was D.O.A.
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well the article does mention that the coaches didn't feel Dwyer took his job seriously enough, showing up late to meetings would be an indication of that. It was good to see Dwyer get into shape but why is he letting himself go to pot in the offseason? Dwyers work ethic has always been in question, I think the only reason he came to camp in shape this season is because it's his contract year.
     
  14. steelersrule6

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    Redman won't be in the game on 3rd down plays I expect Jones and Howlings to be in the game. As long as Redman is gaining yards they won't need a runningback by committee.
     
  15. Bleedsteel

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    I completely agree with Blast on this one.
    It seemed like a great idea, to me, to use all the available backs, to keep them "fresh", and not let the defense get used to one certain style of RB...
    Then I saw how badly it worked.
    I concluded there must be something to this "rhythm" thing...
    Of course, our line deserves a good portion of the blame, too, but that`s beside the point.
    I am now, and always will be in favor of having a "feature" back, NO MORE COMMITTEES!!!
    GO STEELERS!
     
  16. HugeSnack

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    I don't mind RB by committee in principle. But I mind it when two of the guys are Isaac Redman and Jonathan Dwyer, and the other is an injured Rashard Mendenhall, and another is Chris Rainey, whose skill set is absolutely not taken into account.

    I think if you've got an especially talented back like Mendenhall, you feed him the ball. Let him get into rhythm. It's what he's there for. Don't play him every third series and then complain that he's not producing. If you've got different skill sets (Rainey, LSH, Redman), then you use them, but only when appropriate. You don't substitute them and call plays without connecting those dots - which is exactly what Tomlin has always done, and it drives me nuts.

    I think if the guys in your committee are like Dwyer, it doesn't make much difference, because they're just not good enough. That was our problem last year more than rhythm. Lack of talent. Bell is (hopefully) an especially talented back, and we should feed him the ball, mix in Redman for short yardage, and put in LSH for a change of pace.
     
  17. blountforcetrauma

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    I agree that we need to dance with the one that brings us. I wish we could just settle on a true number one back that can just bulldoze all day long. Hopefully Bell can be that.
     
  18. blountforcetrauma

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    I would like to have a really good Darren Sproles type player coming out of the backfield for a change of pace guy.
     
  19. HugeSnack

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    That would be awesome, but I think LSH is pretty good. I feel as excited about this signing as I did about Mewelde Moore when we first got him. He helped win us some games right away.
     
  20. blountforcetrauma

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    Yeah and I really think that LSH might take a couple of kicks to the house this year too and we need that DESPERATELY. He's VERY capable of doing that.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I didn't like the signing when it was first announced but after watching him, I'm all for it now, think he will do good for us.
     
  22. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I feel exactly the same.
     
  23. mac daddyo

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    big difference in the rb's we had last year to this year. not to mention the line in front of them. why we keep going back to last year being the same as this year is not a good comparison.

    the guys we have at RB this year are a much more RBBC friendly bunch then dwyer. he was a get in the zone type runner. I don't think redman was ever healthy last year to the extent he is this year and mendy surely wasn't.

    that's why I think it works much better this year. just the things these guys bring to the offense as opposed to what we had to work with last year. scheme and line included. we will not pound the ball up between the center and guard all year like last year making it less of a need for a guy to get in " the zone".

    this offense todd wants to run is predicated on making the defense guess and chase. if they play it right we may see more of the pound the ball late with a lead. that's where bell and redman could earn their keep. after we tire out the defense.

    :cool:
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    I saw where Red said the coaches don't want it and that he wants to give them reason to stay away from it. I don't think it's in their plans, they didn't draft Bell to have RBBC, they've said over and over they like Bell because he is a 3 down back who never has to come off the field.

    At least I hope so, I don't like the RBBC idea anymore :thumbsdown: Just don't like the concept no matter who the backs are, have one feature guy and spell him once in a while with the other backs.
     
  25. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    then they made a huge error in judgement of hiring todd haley as the OC. that's what his offense is built around. he's not a pound the ball up the gut type co-o. they can talk about bell all they want, but until he shows them he's capable of doing it, this is what we will do.

    IF this method works, why wouldn't you like it? if bell can be ray rice like then so be it, but we don't know that yet. we also don't have another guy on the team like him right now and he's sitting unknown.

    :cool:
     

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