Redman needs MRI on groin...

Oh I'm fine with disclosing that DD is struggling in Camp, but shouldn't a coach or DD himself say that? I don't like one player talking about another player that is struggling. That's not Ben's job to be doing stuff like that. If DD wasn't showing much work ethic, then yes, call him out for that, but don't call out a guy that is struggling unless you are a coach.[/quote]

100% correct.[/quote:2aroqfyo]

100% false. Like it or not, Ben is the heart and soul of this team and he's going to field his share of questions. If DD was as thin skinned as you guys think he is, he'd have folded up his tent and gone home already. Not to mention that very few here even considered what Ben said as an attack on DD, I'm sure DD doesn't feel that way either. Plus Ben treats his line better then just about any QB in the league, he never comes down on them about anything and I believe he takes them out to dinner after every game.[/quote:2aroqfyo]

We are talking about opinions here. Ben should be the heart and sole and I wish he was, but for me he isn't. He's the guys look to for field generalship and toughness maybe. For me it was Ward on both those counts for years and a few other now retired fan favorites. Brown is moving in that roll for me, but as for right now I'll take Troy.

 

Apparently, Redman's groin will be fine.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/8/17/3 ... h-steelers

 

I was really referring to everything in general. I do see the point of keeping some injuries quiet. But as a fan, I liked knowing where DD was at in camp with his progression that Ben got slammed for. How does that hurt anyone knowing that information. As a fan, I like being informed about my team. I'm on a no fluff diet.[/quote]

Oh I'm fine with disclosing that DD is struggling in Camp, but shouldn't a coach or DD himself say that? I don't like one player talking about another player that is struggling. That's not Ben's job to be doing stuff like that. If DD wasn't showing much work ethic, then yes, call him out for that, but don't call out a guy that is struggling unless you are a coach.[/quote]

100% correct.[/quote:8cv0338l]

100% false. Like it or not, Ben is the heart and soul of this team and he's going to field his share of questions. If DD was as thin skinned as you guys think he is, he'd have folded up his tent and gone home already. Not to mention that very few here even considered what Ben said as an attack on DD, I'm sure DD doesn't feel that way either. Plus Ben treats his line better then just about any QB in the league, he never comes down on them about anything and I believe he takes them out to dinner after every game.[/quote:8cv0338l]

We are talking about opinions here. Ben should be the heart and sole and I wish he was, but for me he isn't. He's the guys look to for field generalship and toughness maybe. For me it was Ward on both those counts for years and a few other now retired fan favorites. Brown is moving in that roll for me, but as for right now I'll take Troy.[/quote:8cv0338l]

This team only goes as far as Ben goes, thats why he's the heart and soul IMO. I feel that way about all QB's, they have to be the leader. As the leader, Ben can answer what he wants.[/quote:8cv0338l]

So, Flacco is the heart and Soul of the ravens? C'mon, you know the answer to that one. We all know the answer to that one...

 

I was really referring to everything in general. I do see the point of keeping some injuries quiet. But as a fan, I liked knowing where DD was at in camp with his progression that Ben got slammed for. How does that hurt anyone knowing that information. As a fan, I like being informed about my team. I'm on a no fluff diet.[/quote]

Oh I'm fine with disclosing that DD is struggling in Camp, but shouldn't a coach or DD himself say that? I don't like one player talking about another player that is struggling. That's not Ben's job to be doing stuff like that. If DD wasn't showing much work ethic, then yes, call him out for that, but don't call out a guy that is struggling unless you are a coach.[/quote]

100% correct.[/quote:2ogbguw5]

100% false. Like it or not, Ben is the heart and soul of this team and he's going to field his share of questions. If DD was as thin skinned as you guys think he is, he'd have folded up his tent and gone home already. Not to mention that very few here even considered what Ben said as an attack on DD, I'm sure DD doesn't feel that way either. Plus Ben treats his line better then just about any QB in the league, he never comes down on them about anything and I believe he takes them out to dinner after every game.[/quote:2ogbguw5]

We are talking about opinions here. Ben should be the heart and sole and I wish he was, but for me he isn't. He's the guys look to for field generalship and toughness maybe. For me it was Ward on both those counts for years and a few other now retired fan favorites. Brown is moving in that roll for me, but as for right now I'll take Troy.[/quote:2ogbguw5]

This team only goes as far as Ben goes, thats why he's the heart and soul IMO. I feel that way about all QB's, they have to be the leader. As the leader, Ben can answer what he wants.[/quote:2ogbguw5]

So, Flacco is the heart and Soul of the ravens? C'mon, you know the answer to that one. We all know the answer to that one...[/quote:2ogbguw5]

You misunderstood me, I feel all QB's should be, doesn't mean they are. Ben is. It's no coincidence that the best QB's in this league are the ones winning SB's. Ben, Breese, Rodgers, Manning. They are all leaders in addition to being gifted passers.[/quote:2ogbguw5]
I agree he should be, that's what I said 3 posts up. I'm just not totally confident or in agreement that he is. He's one of them but it doesn't seem unanimous to me. I don't think you'd see threads asking about a new vocal leader of this current team or even new nasty LB if it were the case. I know they are two different position, but it seems like we tend to look to LB's on the Steelers not just because of history, but when we didn't have that real leader QB we had LB's. At least in the last 20+ years.

 

We get its a new offense, however if there is higher risk it could put him out for the year or alot of games you have to sit him. You are acting like its a stupid thing to be cautious... you should at least have the sense to understand the point.

 

when did i act like it's a stupid thing to be cautious? i should understand the point that he doesn't need the reps and he should sit the rest of the preseason? amazing!

i guess all the starters should sit too because there is a high risk that they could get hurt. heck they are pros and shouldn't need practice. they can look at the playbook and should be able to go out and be a fine tuned machine in denver. hmmmm

this ain't the national fearball league. they play football and there is always that chance. redman has played in a game and practiced for 2 weeks with the same problem. the injury he last had wasen't his groin anyway, it was his hip. do YOU get the point?

 

If Redman had an MRI on his groin, I will ask now, don't post the pictures.

 

The thread is about Redman's injury. Yet, somehow it's turned to Ben and given rise to the speech makers of morality. I've found that those who are want to lecture others on morality, more oft than not, live in glass houses.

I hope Redman's injury isn't stubborn and he fully recovers for the season. Does he have the stamina for 1st string carries game in game out?

We'll see...

 

when did i act like it's a stupid thing to be cautious? i should understand the point that he doesn't need the reps and he should sit the rest of the preseason? amazing!

i guess all the starters should sit too because there is a high risk that they could get hurt. heck they are pros and shouldn't need practice. they can look at the playbook and should be able to go out and be a fine tuned machine in denver. hmmmm

this ain't the national fearball league. they play football and there is always that chance. redman has played in a game and practiced for 2 weeks with the same problem. the injury he last had wasen't his groin anyway, it was his hip. do YOU get the point?
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Nope, just the ones who have pesky injuries like groin pulls that can derail a season. I'd gladly sacrifice a few preseason games instead of several during the season.[/quote:a45dah4t]
Mac thinks they need reps more than they need to worry about aggravating injuries they are dealing with. We disagree. The end.

 

Whoa... This thread has become difficult to read. We get what you guys are saying.... Cause you've been saying the same old tired shat for 5 pages now. What do you say we leave it up to the docs and the coaches, eh?

Sit him to try and rest the groin and take the risk of him missing PT in the new O, or play him to get the reps and risk losing him during the regular season. Valid points on both sides, and guess what? Nobody here makes that call, so relax. Goosfraba.

 

Nope, just the ones who have pesky injuries like groin pulls that can derail a season. I'd gladly sacrifice a few preseason games instead of several during the season.[/quote:86mdxodt]
Mac thinks they need reps more than they need to worry about aggravating injuries they are dealing with. We disagree. The end.[/quote:86mdxodt]


HE NEEDS THE REST MORE..

HINES

 

Nope, just the ones who have pesky injuries like groin pulls that can derail a season. I'd gladly sacrifice a few preseason games instead of several during the season.[/quote:129aus70]

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no it's alot more than just me. one of the finest medical staffs in the world led by joe maroon, coaches, trainers, owners all seem to agree about him. you know the people that are involved with football for a living.

 

how's that TE?

 

Because when this happened a few days ago:

No. 1 running back Isaac Redman told reporters (via the Pittsburgh Post Gazette) before practice Wednesday that he was going to have an MRI performed on his groin Thursday morning, because it's been bothering him lately. He said he didn't think the discomfort would last into the season, but he also wanted to determine the problem. "It hurts a little, it's tough to run right now, we'll see,” he said.

He also tried to practice Wednesday, and it did not go well for him. According to the Post Gazette, Redman “fell painfully on all fours as trainers attended” and he has not returned.

I'd put money on it that its not just his hip that is keeping him from action this Sunday.[/quote:2vr94blm]


ok you said he won't be in action, isn't that what you guys are clamering for? you are taking a wild guess of the situation but the best neurosurgeon in the world and all the other professionals are wrong. that's what you are saying? i'll end this conversation right now, because it's pointless.

 

I don't see what you are reading. I see a short 5-6 post banter about Ben being the leader of players and what he should be disclosing about players struggles to the press. Nothing about morals. This is team strictly team stuff...

Whatever. Thanks for playing along.

 

Because when this happened a few days ago:

No. 1 running back Isaac Redman told reporters (via the Pittsburgh Post Gazette) before practice Wednesday that he was going to have an MRI performed on his groin Thursday morning, because it's been bothering him lately. He said he didn't think the discomfort would last into the season, but he also wanted to determine the problem. "It hurts a little, it's tough to run right now, we'll see,” he said.

He also tried to practice Wednesday, and it did not go well for him. According to the Post Gazette, Redman “fell painfully on all fours as trainers attended” and he has not returned.

I'd put money on it that its not just his hip that is keeping him from action this Sunday.[/quote:vj5a1tlj]


ok you said he won't be in action, isn't that what you guys are clamering for? you are taking a wild guess of the situation but the best neurosurgeon in the world and all the other professionals are wrong. that's what you are saying? i'll end this conversation right now, because it's pointless. [/quote:vj5a1tlj]

It's pointless when you try to confuse a very simple statement like that. I'll try and make it even simpler. Myself and others said he should have been sat down, he wasn't and hurt himself worse. Now he's out of the game because it's WORSE! Got it?[/quote:vj5a1tlj]

NO, "IT" is not worse. GOT IT. stop yelling at me.