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Reason to be excited about the offense

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Sep 7, 2021.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Good piece on the difficulties of defending motion offenses. Wonder where the Steelers fell among teams that use it last season, they mentioned some teams the use it the most and the least, Steelers weren’t named.

     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

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    Agreed.


    That said, it is a double edged sword for teams who do not have the level of experience of such offenses like Pittsburgh vs. other teams like San Fran or Kansas City who have done pre snap motion for years. I suspect that the growing pains will be there early on for this team. That said, the sooner this team can solider on through those pains, the better.
     
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  3. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    The other thing to consider is that as you use motion to confuse a defense and try to get them to reveal presnap details it also forces defenses to move pieces around and can make it difficult to identify coverages and shift protection. Let's face it Ben has never been the best at identifying coverages.
     
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  4. AskQuestionsLater

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    Agreed about Big Ben.... if this were the early 2010s. Now? Much different QB than he was then; better and worse. If anything, the first 11 weeks of 2020 were by far his best performance of his career.


    I trust Big Ben should he be fully healed from that elbow injury. The rest of the Offense; doubly so that Offensive Line? We shall see.
     
  5. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    That's great and all but can Ben run it?
     
  6. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    If this turns out to be a success I'm gonna pissed that they dicked around with offensive coordinators for so long, especially Randy.
     
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  7. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    It's really more about forcing matchup mismatches.:cool:
     
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  8. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    Yeah this offence has a lot of potential if they stick to the process and follow Canada’s playbook, using all that motion and play action and high tempo to put teams on the back foot.

    My worry is that Ben’s stubbornness will get in the way and he’ll start to slow everything down and check out of called plays as the season wears on. I really hope I am wrong
     
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  9. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    I'm excited to see them start the season. How the O Line will fare? Watching Najee Harris work his magic as I feel he will be a huge part of this offense. We have a solid #1 weapon tight end in MUUUUUTH. Plus a solid weapon core of receivers. Ben is the wild card. Can he adapt to Canada's offensive style? Can he stay healthy and not wear out. We saw it last season. The rejuvenated running attack hopefully helps keep his throwing total per game at 30to 35.

    Looking forward to some Steeler Football. Leaving the drama in the rear view.
     
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  10. Maddog78

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    Was always jealous watching sophisticated offenses scheme guys wide open, hopefully we're one of those this year. "Line up and beat your guy" only works if you have better guys.
     
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  11. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    I think Dionte Johnson is going to benefit most of this offensive set up.

    If he cleans up his drops he could break out for sure.
     
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  12. FootballAnalyst98

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    NE did it for years. Other than moss and gronk they never had guys who could 1 on 1 win matchups consistently. They’d scheme the welkers, edelmans, and amendolas of the world open
     
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  13. Maddog78

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    KC, SF...all made me jealous. When the Steelers hit big plays it took a lot of work - Ben escaping pressure, AB making a great catch in traffic, Bell making guys miss, etc.

    Other teams had better offenses with fewer stars because they put them in position to succeed, created matchups, schemed guys wide open.

    Coaching matters, a lot, no matter what some here say. :shrug:
     
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  14. BigBensBigBong

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    I have heard talk that Ben tips off the opposition what play was coming. I hope that will not be true, if it was, going forward.

    If it were true and it stops, then there may see our offense do better than expected.
     
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  15. PWP

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    This is why Ben needs Dobb's he can help Ben understand the weak spots in certain coverages and certain looks...He did it at least Twice for TD'S last season, IMO he helped him a lot more than that ...I think Dobb's sticks around the NFL for a few more seasons and then transfers into Coaching ..
     
  16. mac daddyo

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    ben is a guy that likes results. he gets his favorite guys and feeds them to a fault at times. security blankets if you will. he has seen friermuth excell and i can see him become a favorite. ebron was but ben likes guys that make him look good. he sticks with them. if the offense makes him look good he will stick with it. that's just his MO. johnson, friermuth, najee, claypool, juju are his new favorites and he will feed them. if they show him the magic, ben will be loyal to them and the offense. we have a lot of weapons. deep in weapons too. why wouldn't ben want to play in this offense? it makes him look like a kid again. i don't think klemm has a lot of loyalty towards okrafor, so if it doesn't work with him, we could see haeg enter quickly, ben will see to it. he doesn't like weak links if it threatens what he likes. i think he will be all in. he has some stars in the making, and if they make him comfy he will use them to his benefit. he is about comfort. :cool:
     
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  17. CanadianSteel

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    He can have a career in aerospace engineering… You really think he’ll coach football instead?
     
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  18. Brice

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    I don't see Ben having success in this type of Movement offense.

    An older Ben and a young Mahomes just don't have much in common for the way they move in the pocket. This offense is designed to have a moving pocket.

    Maybe 10 years ago Ben could have had success in this type of offence, but I just don't see it working now.
     
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  19. AFan

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    Engineering pays well, but if he can get a NFL coaching job, he’ll do a lot better. Even as a practice squad guy, he’s making $16-20k/wk. as long he can stay on it a month or so, he’ll do far better than an entry level engineer.
     
  20. SteelersFanIrl

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    I’m sure he wants success and I have no doubt he will make an effort with this new offence but old habits die hard. Remember at the start of last season all the (presumably Canada influenced) Jet sweeps and other plays they were doing? They were all gone by week 6 and we were back to Ben’s slow tempo dink and dunk offence

    I just think he will find it quite difficult to implement, it’s going to be a massive change from what he has always done, which was whatever he felt like in the Fictner years.

    I hope I am totally wrong obviously. Green Bay were in the same place a few years ago with LeFleur coming in trying to make the same changes and it worked brilliantly for them in the end. Steelers have all the skill pieces to make it work and it takes the pressure off the OLine if they do it properly. So much is riding on Ben as the leader however
     
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  21. CanadianSteel

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    I wasn’t necessarily referring to what kind of money he could make, but generally when you put that much effort into schooling, you don’t just drop it. I guess it depends on what he’s most passionate about.
     
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  22. Brice

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    Money in my pocket says Canada will be down on the sideline calling the plays after the bye week (7).

    This will happen because Ben will be using the excuse as to why he is constantly changing the plays at the line of scrimmage is because Canada is just not seeing what is going on at the field level.
     
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  23. FootballAnalyst98

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    I think Claypool. He can be a dk Metcalf and Dez Bryant type of guy. Idk if he'd ever will be a great route runner or anything but too much talent to not be impactful.
     
  24. AFan

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    Shades of 2015. Scene: Post game presser

    Local Media Hack: Ben, on that 3rd and 3 play, where you threw the pick into triple coverage, what were you looking for on that play?

    Passive-Aggressive Ben: You’ll have to ask Coach Matt, he calls the plays.
     
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  25. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    week 6 was it? https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/pit/season/2020

    :cool:
     
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