Positions

Who are you most wanting to see play this preseason at each position?

RB. Franklin, Samuels
WR Washington, Tucker
QB Rudolph, Jones
OL. Chuk's, Rodgers
DL Frazier, Gilmore
ILB galambos, Mathews
OLB. Huguenin, adams, OA
DB. Allen, summers, golden, Phillips, Edmund's, heck all of them.

 

Besides all the new guys, I want to see the veteran players that may or may not have been playing hurt. I want to see them at full health with no excuses, however I don't necessarily want to see that in the preseason, so I guess my point is invalid. I would really like to see Edmunds come out and tear it up if for no other reason than to force a few board members to eat crow.

 

Looking the most forward to seeing Edmunds and Washington. Interesting in seeing if Rudolph is the real deal.

 

I'm looking forward to watching people cry on this forum when Landry Jones wins the #2 QB spot.

 

Who are you most wanting to see play this preseason at each position?

RB. Franklin, Samuels
WR Washington, Tucker
QB Rudolph, Jones
OL. Chuk's, Rodgers
DL Frazier, Gilmore
ILB Galambos, Mathews
OLB. Huguenin, adams, OA
DB. Allen & Allen, summers, golden, Phillips, Edmund's, was heck all of them.

 

It's hard to figure out the hate fans have for landry Jones, he is a better than average back up QB, but then again fans hated maddox to the extent of toilet papering his house after he lost a game which wasn't all his fault:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/film-room-steelers-worse-landry-jones/

 

The Maddox Pick 6 INT vs. Jax in '05 was pretty bad. I wanted to break sh!t when it happened.

Agree on LJ.

 

It was close the whole game and went into overtime where they lost by 6 from a TM pick 6, maddox had 3 picks in that game while filling in for roethlisburger, he was long past his starting days by then....

 

Give Tommy Gun a break. It was much to windy to play football that day. Sheeeze.

 

1.) Joshua Frazier.


Being from a program like Alabama that consistently produces high end talent among the defensive line is one thing. Being a reserve backup that not only has little mileage on him entering the NFL and knowing the defensive lineman coach is another. Frazier has something Dan does not; leverage. He is only 6'4. That being said, he is much better to hold and maintain the point of attack. Add his 35 inch lead pipes for arms and we may possibly have the biggest yet most underrated player of the class. Part of the solution will come from increased emphasis on tackling. The other apsect will come from Frazier.


2.) Terrell Edmunds.


Frazier may be my most anticipated player to watch but Edmunds is a very close second in the vein of a nanometer close second. We now have a player who is capable of not only filling up those running lanes but adequately limiting tight ends. With the athleticism to match just about any safety in the league, I look forward to how far he has come since Rookie Minicamp.



3.) Chukwuma Orkorafor.



I rather would have wanted to see him compete for next season (we all still might as there is no guarantee he goes into the season as the swing tackle) but oh well. Now we get to see a good litmus test for Orkorafor as well as Munch. Chuks does not have a lot of actual American Gridiron Football experience and Munch will likely have been coaching him up for less than a year when he sees the field. Within the same vein though, Chuks has the athleticism and lightning fast feet and most importantly:


"In Mike Munchak SteelersNation trusts."



He has yet to let us down. An uber athlete like Orkorafor should be different; less so indubitably.

 

NOTHING Edmunds does in preseason will shut up anyone: If our first rounder doesn't make plenty of big plays in the season, when it matters, he is a shipment of FAIL pick.

 

Frazier wasn't good enough to start in college. Hoping for anything more than a slight upgrade as a reserve nose tackle is wildly optimistic at best.

 

Well that is an opinion you and I don't share. I believe there are things he could show in the preseason that would get me excited. This is only my opinion as I know some don't even watch preseason. I watch anything Steelers I can get my hands on.

 

It's unreasonable to expect Edmunds to play lights out day one. Anyone remember Troy's first year? Sometimes it takes time.

 

Edmunds won't start. Those of you who think he will start are kidding yourselves. Burnett will start at FS. Davis at SS.

 

I didn't say "day one" but I did say "this season." And we no longer have "Mr. hates all rookies" (Lebeau) to retard development.

 

Are we overlooking Sutton with a year experience under his belt and his versatility. He's getting looks all over the field during OTAs. He could keep Edmunds,both Allens and maybe even Burns and or Davis off of the field.....
Steeler Depot according the Mike Hilton is saying Burnetts experience is clearly showing and is making lots of plays....he's a lock.

 

Incorrect. DeShawn Hand, Da'ron Payne, Ashawn Robinson, Jarran Reed and countless others were already established players by the time Frazier, a former five star recruit himself, landed in the 'Tide.


Alabama generally obtains five star recruits as defensive lineman in the equivalent of a child going to the candy store. Yes, all the proverbial "candy" will be good but a few will be great.


Furthermore, given the fact that a major reason we could not adequately count on Big Dan was due to his shortcomings. Joshua Frazier is everything Big Dan was not and more. In addition, I do believe that Frazier can evolve into something more considering that L.T. Walton is set to become a free agent in 2019.

 

He did not start for Alabama, therefore he was not good enough to start for them. My point is absolutely correct.

Yes, he is better than 99-plus percent of the other backup defensive linemen in the country and quite a few starters, but a guy who is going to make some big impact on the Steelers should have been able to start at least one season in college no matter what program he played for.

 

Well.. you just contradicted yourself I am afraid. In turn, this makes your point even more incorrect than before.



Joshua Frazier was not able to start for the aforementioned reasons I stated already. Realistically, no five star recruit defensive lineman would have been able to start within the interior of the Tide defense. Way too much talent there alone anyway as Saban is a firm believer in building the front sevem by building from the inside out.



Regarding Frazier though, had he been in another program, he would have started given other teams lack of depth at the defensive line position within the SEC and nevermimd the NCAA FBS sans a select amount of teams.




Again, it is not because Joshua Frazier lacked the talent to start. The issue was there was simply too much proven talent for him to showcase his own.

 

So if Edmunds dosent ball out this season, does that automatically make him a bust? Like I said. Think about Troy's first year. I seem to remember people calling him Bustamalu on radio shows and message boards. Patience with rookies is key. Give a rookie too much too soon and you end up burning through them like the Browns do.

 

I did not contradict myself. That assertion on your part makes no sense.

Also, there are not degrees of wrong. You are either wrong or you are not. Of course, in this case, you are most definitely wrong.

Regarding what Frazier would have done in another program, we don't know. You are relying on speculation and trying to pass it off as evidence.

I didn't say he lacked the talent to start. I said he wasn't good enough. It is possible he is a talented guy who underachieved and that is why he couldn't even start in college.

The point remains, he was a backup in college. That means he wasn't good enough to be a starter. That also means you are ridiculously optimistic at best in thinking he will make some big impact for the Steelers. I'd be quite happy if he is a solid reserve, pushing McCullers off the roster. That is a far more realistic expectation.

It's not impossible for him to do more at some point. Some guys are late bloomers and sometimes undrafted players turn out to be something. But based on the available evidence, he's not what you are trying to make him out to be.

 

And not one of you two used the word "ergo."

Shame

 

Players do sometimes become better pros than they were in college. AB was not the top receiver in college football but he's done that in the pros. Tom Brady is another example.

 

This is where the contradiction lies within the logic.


To act as if a player is doomed from the start due to a lack of starting experience is the equivalent of stating a mountain can be moved with pebbles.