POLL: When Will Jarvis Jones Earn His First Start?

Assuming Jones, Worilds, and Woodley remain healthy, how long will it take for Jarvis Jones to beat out Jason Worilds?

*This poll assumes that that Jason Worilds will no longer be on the team in 2014, either because he has success and earns a big contract and the Steelers won't pay both him and Jones, or because he's surpassed by Jones and wants a better situation & money on another team, or because he fizzles out or gets injured again and we don't want to re-sign him.

 

Great idea for a thread Snack! I wonder where you got it??? :innocent:LOL! Just kidding. Anyway I went with the 3rd one because I think they will give Worilds some time to prove how "hungry" he is but if they don't see it by the first half of the season maybe they just go ahead and start grooming Jones for what is eventually supposed to be his spot anyway. So that's my logic. I was torn between that and the last one. I will be REALLY surprised if he beats him flat out during camp. I also will be really surprised if Tomlin isn't patient with Worilds who has been waiting in the wings behind a true Steelers great. So that was how I narrowed it down. What do you think?

 

Jarvis is light on his feet the boy needs to bulk up to compete in the NFL .. Worilds/Woodley will do fine this season and will be taking Jones to school hopefully the gym. I will be observing Jones in pads @ SVC July 29. Now for that second rounder Bell i believe he will take the ball and run/block this year i like this kid and for Jones he's going to be a handfull in 2014... Steelers on the right path for sure

 

That's what worries me. He probably shouldn't bulk up too much upper body-wise because of his back issue.

 

i agree TTF. i think he see's spot duty like heyward, unless there is an injury, and even then i think robinson or carter start first. i just hope he flashes on ST's.

 

He's the WEEK 1 starter. He's been in a 3-4 against big time college competition. He'll be ready to go.

 

Yep, That`s my vote.
Based on nothing but hope...
That they picked a stud outta college, whose play backs up the stats he had.
Kind of a shame that in that scenario, Worillds couldn`t hold him off, for one year, but I just haven`t been OVERLY impressed with Worillds...
Really wouldn`t break my heart, if I was wrong, and he is good enough to keep Jarvis on the bench for a year...
I just haven`t seen it yet...
Either way, we should have a lb capable of replacing Silverback, and that`s saying something...
I doubt either one will engender the fear in a QB, that Silverback did...
But at least, we should be able to replace him with a competent player, that has the potential to surprise us with his ability, no matter which one it is... (Leaning towards Jones, here, but ya never know...)

 

I don't think it is any of those options. I predict at some point midway into the season Worlids get hurt (as he often does), and Jones starts for a game or two.

That's about it though.

 

Yeah, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him get hurt earlier than that... But that's kind of a default start, and what I wanted to know is when people thought Jarvis would straight beat him out for the job, not fill in for injury.

I voted 2014. I think that if healthy, Worilds holds his own this year and is gone next year to start for some other team. Then Jones is basically handed the job in 2014, not that he needs the charity, because he'll be ready.

I agree on the spot duty and STs, but no way does he lose out to Carter, and especially not Robinson. He might be behind them on the depth chart day 1 of training camp, but he'll finish as the top backup, at least on the right side.

 

i just think he remains on that spot duty THIS year even if worilds or woodley get hurt. now he may see more field time with carter as the starter then he may with worilds as the starter. especially if it's in the mid to late parts of the season.

carter has earned the right to start if they keep him this year (which i don't think is at question). he has 3 years under his belt. jones is still a rookie. butler and DLB won't play him until he knows what he's doing. i don't think the rush the passer part of his game won't be there, i think his coverage duties and run defense will be where the learning part come in.

with carters coverage ability, it free's up bringing timmons up the middle more. couple that with the added pressure from mclendon now and we could play alot of in the qb's face blitzes.

scenario two would be carter and timmons in coverage and williams the other rook blitzing up the middle instaed of larry foote getting caught up in the wash as he does blitzing.

i really do think DLB utilizes some new weapons he's gathered, now that some of them bring different skillsets to his defense then what he had previously.

 

I could see him starting because of an injury...but I don't see him flat out beating Worilds this season. I voted 2014

 

Carter has earned the right to start (after Worilds)? How? Just by being on the team? This is his third year, and in the first two all he did was play special teams and fill in for a few snaps at OLB, where he didn't have much success, and then get injured. I'm not giving up on the guy by any means, and we knew when we drafted him that he would be the project type and have to gain weight, but all he's earned is the right to compete. With Jones' superior potential and heavier investment, they're gonna put those two on even ground and see who looks better. I think Jones wins that battle, even as a rookie.

 

by being coached to learn this defense for 3 years. if you don't think thats a leg up on the rookie, then that means anyone could step in and be used in this defense but we both know thats not happening. or never has to this point since kendrell bell. bell didn't have keith butler as his coach either, which is a guy thats pretty hard on newbies knowing his LB'ers defense inside and out.

it didn't happen with any 1st rounder under tomlin. so your saying jones is better than timmons, ziggy,heyward and woodley as a rookie? let's go back further, he's better then troy, keisel,casey, ike, allen,mendy,holmes,wallace,ben and GOD knows whomever else? is that what your saying? because none of those guys started right off the bat.

we have invested 3 years in carter to learn this defense and i'm pretty sure the team and coaches don't think that was a waste of time. wouldn't they have just cut him loose if he was never going to be of any use? just because he didn't make the probowl in his first 3 starts doesn't mean he can't play. remember he came in during the strike and never had the OTA's and rookie mini camps that jones has now had.

 

I don't get it. I'm not saying anything bad about Carter. I liked the pick and I like the guy and I'm pulling for him. I think he's in an open competition with Jarvis Jones. Well, what I think is that Carter is competing to backup Worilds, and Jones is competing both to backup Worilds as well as to replace Worilds. He's not on the totem pole yet like Worilds and Carter are, so he's just gotta rise as high as he can. I'm predicting he'll rise above Carter by the time the regular season starts, and it seems you're not. That's all.

Since when is keeping a minimum wage player around for depth considered a big investment? Somebody had to have that roster spot. Yes they've been teaching him to play so that he can play well if they need him to, and yes it would be awesome if he turned out to be a great starter, so I'm sure they're hoping for that too. But what have we sacrificed by keeping him? Nothing. His career has been pretty standard for a 5th rounder so far. The 2 year investment of Carter at #162 overall compared to #17 pick of Jones is not even a comparison. Jones is the one they have invested in. If it suited the team (let's say he just looks terrible or tears an ACL), we could cut him right now and it wouldn't be a huge loss. He's not the heir apparent to anyone, hence the drafting of Jarvis Jones. I think it's safe to say the coaches are hoping Jones earns at least the #3 spot.

Huh? What the hell are you talking about? First of all, I didn't say he was better than anyone, I basically said I expect him to be ahead of Chris Carter on the depth chart by the end of preseason. But since we're getting crazy... if I said Jones is better than Carter, and you take that to mean he's better than Troy Polamalu, are you saying Chris Carter is as good as Troy Polamalu?? Is that what you're saying???

Also, you shouldn't need me to tell you that one player starting as a rookie does not make him better than a player who didn't start as a rookie. Or is Kelvin Beachum better than Troy? You know what, don't answer that. And to answer your question about if he's "better" than all those other guys you listed, the only one that really compares is Woodley. I don't know if he'll be better than Woodley, but it stands to reason he'll be more pro-ready and have a smoother transition. I don't know where you're getting this stuff anyway, because I'm not even talking about starting. I'm talking about being the top backup.

 

all i'm trying to say is he knows this complicated defense much better after 3 years then jones will to start the season hence his spot as the 3rd guy in if there is an injury.

it's well documented that until they know the defense, they don't play. same as if the running backs can't pass protect. they won't see the field.

i'm sure he is expected to outshine carter at some point, being he is a 1st round pick, but i just don't think it's going to be nearly as early as you do. the reference to those other players is to show, no matter the talent and draft status, they won't see the field much if there is a capable player that knows the defense in front of them. or offense for that matter. for the most part, it messes up the rest of the players on that side of the ball if they miss their assignment.

i say we wait until he puts on some pads against some top competition and see what he can do first. maybe he gets it and makes worilds and carter expendable. that i couldn't tell you until i see him play an NFL snap first. i'm going with my gut that says he's not going to be ready to start before mid season or beyond.

 

Well depending on how you phrase it, Carter's advantage can sound more impressive or less impressive. You keep saying he's got 3 years on him. The truth is he's going into his third year. So he's completed two seasons, one of them injured for most of it, I believe. You were the one to point out that Carter missed his first offseason. He was there for his second, and Jones is here for his third. So Chris Carter has 1 1/2 years of playing time and 1 offseason. That's his advantage over Jones. And remember, Carter was a DE having to convert, so Jones should be able to pick up our defense faster than he did. Add in superior talent and a good work ethic and a heavy investment and his explosive nature, and it's easy to see Jones leapfrogging him in one preseason.

 

Hey Snack you should start up another poll of who will have the most starts at RB this year so we can officially have that debate too.

 

Bell. The end.

 

If I was forced to bet, option 4 has the best odds by a mile.

 

Seeing how the Steelers redshirt almost everybody, and that Worilds has waited his turn.
I voted that he will not overtake Jason this year. Maybe 2014.Of course barring injury,

 

yeah.

But I thought a "Which week will Jason Worilds get injured?" poll would be less exciting and thought provoking. But you never know. Worilds has only not played in 6 out of a possible 48 games, so he hasn't been that unhealthy during the season. But he's missed at least one full offseason and maybe part of another, if I'm remembering right. So he's been hurt a lot, but I don't think it's too unlikely he starts all 16 games.

 

carter has 2 off seasons and is in his 3rd year. he may not have had that season of OTA's and rookie mini camp to fall back on but i'll bet they gave him some type of study guide to work with. that seems pretty likely as they have done with adams last year and wheaton this year.

carter got almost every rep last year in camp , jones won't have that luxuary. he also has NFL starts in this defense that he's learning for the 3rd year. usually a year when players start to re-act more then think.


jones was at USC also for two of his years. so they all weren't in Georgia's 3-4. i'm not sure what USC ran as a defense, but his stats seem to say he didn't play a lot there.

as a college player we could say jones is a freshman and carter is a junior. that is quite the difference to make up in a few weeks. i'm not saying he won't or can't , just that it rarely happens here. they generally go with the more seasoned player.

i'm not trying to fool anyone into making it sound more impressive or less impressive. I said if worilds goes down carter would more than likely get the start over jones and that jones would see more field time backing carter then he would backing worilds.