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Playoffs- Ben 25 TDs 23 INTs

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Scalaid6, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. Scalaid6

    Scalaid6 Member

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    Someone please blame these Putrid statistics on Mike Tomlin Todd Haley or Keith Butler.

    Ben Roethlisberger has a big-time name but he does not have a big-time game at least not on a consistent basis and that's the Steelers problem. Landry Jones played better against the New England Patriots that are 100 million dollar quarterback. Those are the facts that cannot be refuted
     
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  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I thought it was a team sport. Ben must have been dropping all those passes he threw, too.
     
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  3. santeesteel

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    And playing both ways so he can tip his own passes!
     
  4. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    Very lack luster stats when it comes to playoffs. But, we would be a losing team without him. He's still our best chance at a Superbowl
     
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  5. Rambro

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    Snake bit at WR, I didn't see that coming even with Bryant's suspension . It's just what happens to us and we can't overcome it. Getting Bryant back will be big. You can't double and triple team AB with Bryant out there.
     
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  6. 58stillers

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    Yeah, clearly, we are starting the wrong QB..... Landry over Ben :noose:
     
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  7. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I was gonna say that some of those touchdowns produced rings so who cares?
     
  8. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Well then since those facts can't be refuted do you blame Tomlin for not starting Landry this weekend?:icon e wink:
     
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  9. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Ben not getting help. Even 2010 SB dropped passes.

    Teams failing him when he needs them most.

    If you let Ben be Ben I bet we would score 35+ with Bryant
     
  10. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, Ben's performance in Super Bowls, other than one memorable drive, have been lackluster. Lowest QB rating ever in his first one, mediocre performance until the last drive in his second and two bad INTs and unable to bring the team back late in his third.

    I'm glad he's been to three, but give me Bradshaw all day every day in the Big Game!
     
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  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think mediocre performance in the second is way harsh. He played a good game. Should have been MVP. But he wasn't exactly Mr popular then, too much ugly around him at the time.

    Id take Bradshaw too.
     
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  12. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Prior to the last drive, Ben was 16 for 23, no TDs and an INT. Meh. That's mediocre for Ben. He made up for his mediocre performance with a pass for the ages on the last drive though.
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well geeze Jack, I could dissect Brady's games and make him a mediocre QB.

    You don't get to take away pieces of the game to support your point of view. :lolol:
     
  14. bigsteelerfaninky

    bigsteelerfaninky Well-Known Member

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    I mean i guess ur stats r correct but want do you want?
     
  15. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    The only piece I took away was the last drive and up until that point he was pretty pedestrian. But I don't disagree that the final drive alone was MVP worthy. The only guy I'd give higher marks on the last drive was Tone who was the MVP. He made a contested catch early, a nice 40 yard catch and run and then the best catch on the best throw that I've seen in my lifetime. I just wish we'd had Holmes on the last drive against Green Bay instead of Wallace!
     
  16. GoalLine

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    Part of that was the OL's inability to stop Docket from getting into the backfield constantly.
     
  17. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I'm curious if you took a sample size of the 20-30 great QB's over the last 20 years what their ratio would be, because few QB's ever finish the year on a high note unless you are winning Super Bowls often, which is rare.

    My second point is Ben is a lot like Brett Favre, great QB, but also good for quite a few picks a game. it's just how he rolls.
     
  18. AFan

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    Your post intrigued me, so I diddled around on pro-football-reference. Like you I figured Favre's TD/Int split would be no great shakes.

    Ben has played 20 playoff games and as noted is 25/23 TD/Int

    I was surprised to find that Favre's a lot better: 22 games 44 TDs 30 Ints.

    So I started going through all the recent "greats", Ben's ratio is poorer than nearly all:

    Brady: 33 games 61 TD/ 30 Int
    Peyton: 27 games. 40/25
    Eli: 12 Games 18/9
    Flacco: 17 games 25/10
    Brees: 11 games 24/10
    Rivers: 9 games 11/9

    And guys from a bit more distant past:

    Elway: 22 games 27/21
    Marino: 18 games 32/24
    Montana: 23 games 45/21
    Kelly: 17 games 21/28. - the only guy listed with a worse TD/Int than Ben
    Aikman: 16 games 23/17

    Guys from back in the day when QBs threw more picks

    Bradshaw: 19 games 30/26
    Staubach: 20 games 24/19

    This surprised me. While I've realized for awhile that Ben hasn't exactly been great in the playoffs in recent years. I expected he be at least near the middle of the pack in a list like this.

    Granted this stat isn't the 'be all - end all'. But I think it's clear Ben hasn't been a particularly exceptional QB in the playoffs, especially in recent years. But compared to Tomlin and his co-ordinations, he takes very little flak for playoff performance.

    The other that strikes me is that Ben has played in a lot of playoff games. Of the 14 guys listed, he's played in more playoff games than 8 of them. And that's to his credit. Ya gotta get there first.
     
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  19. SteelerEmpire

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    Ben's 25 TD's with 23 pics says that we're not winning another SB with Ben until our defense is elite
     
  20. nor

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    I think we should be focused on winning with Ben in the next year or two instead of dismantling to prepare for life-after-Ben.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Those are almost identical to Elways numbers. He managed to win without an elite defense.
     
  22. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Brett Favre clone, likes to throw to the other team.
     
  23. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    It's a bit of a misleading stat, and it always bugs me when analysts pull up TD-INT ratios as markers of a QB's contribution.

    The opposite of a TD is not an INT. The ratio of INTs should be to passes completed over passes attempted. That gives you more of a sense of how much the QB's accuracy is contributing to the final result.


    Case in point: Jim Kelly has an awful TD-INT ratio. But he got his team to the Superbowl fairly regularly. And it wasn't in spite of his play. It's more likely that the ratio doesn't take into account laser-perfect accurate passing drives finished off with a running TD (or vice versa). And single game meltdowns, which also don't help.
     
  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    whats concerning is bens home and road ranking. not sure why the so much difference. :cool:
     

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