Ok Im going to try to illustrate this for Yinz

Oh no actually I was AGREEING with something you put earlier in the thread. I knew exactly what you meant. I was trying to illustrate the fact that some people will talk about Ben really bad but you were showing that everyone makes mistakes.

 

Gotcha

 

I disagree with Max and Colon. Max has been solid for years and Colon is a natural G (was drafted as such) and is actually great at pulling. When he's healthy (thats the problem with him...he and Leftwich must use the same strength and conditioning coach ) he's been good...aside from the occasional frustrating false starts.

A healthy line of Starks, Colon, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert/Adams can be a very very good line.

 

And yet, without that one play (throw), the interception, we could be talking playoffs and possible SB run.

Could a would a should a....but w/o Ben, it's not even in the discussion period.

 

It is crazy.

Back in the ESPN message board days of the mid 00s I used to have constant and on going debates with Bengals fans about Ben Roethlisberger vs Carson Palmer. Defending Ben from stupefying remarks from ignorant Bengal fans was almost a full time job. FF 5 and 6 years later and I still have to do it with Steelers fans of all people. Its amazing...

 

we've been over this a million times. since the preseason move of colon they talked about how slow he was getting out to pull and getting upfield in front of the play. do you understand why we didn't run to the outside and have success with screens and a successful run game. it's colon and foster. i don't care but for every 3 good plays max has there are 5 bad ones. we can do much better then him. foster has the same problem pulling and lead blocking. they are slow and it kills the play calling of this offensive system. these guys are not a good fit for it.

 

I think you are forgetting how less than sensational Ben was thru the first half - even the first half of the KC game before he got hurt. That game was terrible with him in there!
I love Ben. I would not want another quarterback other than maybe Brady or Manning, so don't tell me that my opinions are because I do not like him. I am just not such Ben-lover like some of you that feel the need to glorify him after 8 games. I think he could have played better. Sure, he was tremendous on 3rd downs for a good chunk of the games. And yes I know some of the playcalling dictates this, but how bad were some of the 1st and 2nd down throws - timely incompletions.

I know you all watch every play of every game - we all do. But seriously, go back and review Ben's season up until the injury. I think you would admit it wasn't as impressive as you say:

 

If ben would only listen to his coach he would be seen as great. PERIOD

 

How that work out for you Uncle Ben nuts? When you keep saying that Ben is elite, do you mean out of the Steeler QB's? This might be true.

 

I am not buying into the OL theory,
I am not impressed with the athleticism other than
DD and Pouncey, I am also on record that i do not
like how the Steelers EVALUATE their O lineman coming
out of the draft, I am tired of 6'8 335 pound lineman that can't move
and are over weight out of shape slobs that can't
bench press 225lbs 35 times. Hell Peazy A LB had no trouble doing this
We have to get these OL on the Strength and Conditioning program.
Yes I believe the Strength and conditioning coach should be FIRED.

 

Little Ben, something just dawned on me. This message board emerged as the result of the one on the Steelers home site being closed down, (what an embarrassment that an NFL team could not see its way to maintain a message board for its fans shows you how little regard they have for their fans, but that is another story). Thinking back to the reasons why I thought that message board sucked and never posted there was because it was infested with hick homers , you being a prime example, of fans who think the Steelers and particularly close to your heart the accused rapist Benjamin can do no wrong. It all makes sense now. Most of you nut huggers migrated over to this board. If by keep repeating that Ben is great is your definition of smack, ok. Dream on. To each their own. Let me play to. Ben is great, Ben is great,Ben is great, Ben is great.
After all you homers can't be all bad you are Steeler fans.

 

Here is a good article that illustrates what people should appreciate about Ben.. They quickly forget about Kent Graham and the gang




I can already hear Roethlisberger’s critics arguing the Colts could never win three or four games without Peyton Manning. So? That might have more to do with the way the Colts are coached and constructed than Manning being superior to Roethlisberger.

That’s right. When their careers are over, I think there’s going to be a debate about which quarterback was better, Roethlisberger or Manning. Peyton is going to have the statistics on his side. Big Ben is going to have three or four Super Bowl rings.

Toughness in the pocket is the most important asset a QB can have. Since Tom Brady injured his knee, no quarterback rivals Ben’s combination of fearlessness in the face of pressure and the ability to deliver the football accurately under duress.

You can have all the gaudy stats. I’d rather have a quarterback who isn’t rattled by Dwight Freeney, James Harrison, Jared Allen and all the other QB killers.

 

and here is another most recent one before he had a freak injury...

Big Ben is my favorite NFL player. He’s the modern-day John Elway. Roethlisberger is never going to put upPeyton Manning-like stats. But Roethlisberger is a winner. His willingness and ability to hang in the pocket, move around in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield is unmatched.
Pittsburgh’s more conservative, dink-and-dunk offense has Big Ben on pace for the best season of his illustrious career. He’s completing 67 percent of his passes and has thrown just four interceptions.
There are a lot of good candidates for MVP: Peyton Manning, JJ Watt, Matt Ryan. Let’s add Big Ben to the list of contenders. In my opinion, he’s leading the best team in football.

 

Stop blaming Ben, what is so hard to understand that we had a makeshift offensive line? Two years in a row now we've looked like we could likely make another Superbowl run and both years Ben's gotten injured. It may be hard for Colbert and Tomlin to understand but it's time to stop wasting seasons and go out and get the offesnive lineman we need. Spend the CASH for Christ's sake ! Enough with this next man up, you can't just plug in a 7th round draft choice at RT and expect to win. Go back and watch the tape of the last few games especially the 4th and 1 from SD and Cin, Belchum ends up behind the line of scrimmage on both plays. It's time management gives Ben the respect he deserves, not that we have to change our whole offensive scheme because our o line can't accomodate deep passing game, go out get the offensive line you need to play to Ben's strengths. Dink and dunk is not Ben's strength. it's not that he's not disciplined enough ether to run it just it isnt him. He's your 100 million dollar QB ! Play to his strengths and we'll win, go out and acquire the proper protection he needs.

 

they did do that....4 of the 5 starters are 1st or 2nd rd picks in the last 2 -3 years...they will come together give it time...maybe as early as next year

 

No amount of cash thrown at a player will prevent him from getting random injuries.

They have in fact addressed the O line pretty well recently through the draft. They've got some really solid pieces, they just need for them to stay healthy.

 

We've been hearing this for years, and it never works out. Max, Colon and Foster need to be replaced. Only Pouncey and DD are worth keeping.

 

Peyton Manning: Under .500 in the playoffs. He beat a Rex Grossman led Bears team. His only Super Bowl win. A devistating pick sealed the Colts fate in his next one. He is a regular season wonder.

Tom Brady: Won 3, lives for the post season. But his last two, not so special.

Ben: Carried the team through the playoffs, on the road, not a spectactular game from him in his first Super Bowl, but enough to get the job done.
His second, well, he, not the blunt smoker Holmes should have won the MVP.
His third was not a great performance, two picks. But the score was close.

I believe they ALL are in the elite class, and I believe Ben will get another ring, and hopefully the MVP.

All the crap I hear about Ben, ponder this. Without Ben, the Steelers and there fan base would not have two more Lombardi's to brag about. Period. So ponder that Kordell lovers. O'Donnell lovers. Maddox lovers. He is a franchise QB. Is he perfect? Far from. But I appriciate his game and what he has brought to the Steelers. Spoiled people them Steeler fans. I will watch today as I always do, hoping for a Steeler victory against the pathetic, hated Clowns.

Looking forward to next season...

A true Steelers fan.