Official Mike Tomlin thread

So Tomlin wins and needs to get fired and Munchank couldn’t but it’s because his team sucked. He’s excused.
Belichick is the greatest coach ever right? Yet some Pats fans want to get rid of him after the Super Bowl.
All I’m saying is even if we made Munchank our head coach, in due time people will be blasting him as soon as we lose some games.

 

I don't have anyone off the top of my head because it doesn't have to be some known guy that has been on the head coaching carousel for the last 20 years. I think it does need to be someone with a focus/background in defense.

 

Finding consistency in today's game is about finding a QB. There are a lot of coaches who have come and gone and have failed because they didn't have the QB. Not necessarily that they were bad coaches....you aren't going to win without above average QB play especially with the rules skewed in favor of the offense. Even though Ben Is maddeningly inconsistent he is still a great QB and is the reason for our success. It certainly isn't the D and the coaching is below average....
Whoever comes in will win with this roster the way it is . The only difference will be is if the new regime can coach up our deficiencies and weaknesses enough to take us from a playoff type of team or a legitimate SB contender. Every team has their weaknesses but it's the coaches who are real Xs and Os type that are having success. The game has become more complex ,more of a chess match and our coaches are playing Connect 4.....
Motivation,ready to play,we didn't kick enough ass ,as Heyward would say....blah ,blah,blah.
We are getting out game planned....we are getting out schemed.....we are getting out coached!

I really want to like Tomlin ,I really do. I love his smooth talk.....when we are winning. The problem is I really think he's in over his head when it comes to Xs and Os and unless we are gonna go out and hire really top notch and innovative coordinators that are basically going to run the O and D it might be time to wipe the slate clean. We need fresh minds and ideas ,the old ideology of the NFL is gone....

 

Yup.. I would take him back in a heart beat

 

Soooo......we do nothing ....just watch it crumble in front of us. The best idea is to fire Butler yesterday. Let Tomlin promote or replace him with whoever he wants. Let Tomlin basically take over the D for the remainder of the season. He's supposed to be a defensive coach right? Let him take over and if the D doesn't improve,he can go too. He should have plenty of time in between motivating and disciplining the locker room...no?

 

Yes if anyone needs to go it’s Butler. I bet Ben would want to keep Tomlin for the rest of his career.

 

I just don't get why you fire and force out a legend like LeBeau for a diet version of himself. I agree he had to go because his defense/schemes are outdated in this league.

 

oh yes, definitely.

 

This year seems like the first year that the blinders have been off for me. Maybe it's the lingering sting from the Jaguars playoff loss, but every wrong this team does seems magnified this year. The penalties. The blown coverages. The bone-headed mistakes. All of it just seems prominent and it doesn't seem like things are going to get better. It's the definition of insanity.

Tomlin is not going anywhere as long as Ben is around. The Steelers wouldn't make a drastic change like that. However, the same cannot be said for Butler. We need to clean house on the defensive side of the staff and bring in someone who emphasizes discipline and pays attention to the details. Maybe they can help bring some order and focus to this team. At this point, it's the best we can realistically hope for.

 

I'll put it this way. You have to have 2/3 good facets of a team to do well. offense/defense or defense/special teams or whatever. Team starts slow, can't manage the clock, and turtles when having the lead. That's on Tomlin

Special teams = kicker missing kicks, berry screwing up punts = not good
Offense - very inconsistent. Boom or bust. This is basically good ben or bad ben.

We are the only team that can be judged on 2 facets because the defense doesn't exist.

 

He's been here 12 years and no-one can tell me what he brings to the table, what is his speciality? what is he good at? - It was clear that as soon as the old elite defense retired that the emporer had no clothes. 'Players coach'? players coach my ass, this isn't the 70s and 80s, line up 3 clouds of dust and smack 'em harder in the mouth than they smack you. Todays NFL is about matchups and scheme, adjustments and evolution.

His pressers to me were very revealing, the hollow cliches somehow presented as football-Conficious, nope, they were nothing more than hackneyed motivational conference level bull****.

His game-management and clock management are just beyond description "I thought we could get a stop" - the defense hadn't stopped them all day you cretin. Every time he makes the wrong call, no real need to bring up yesterday's game management disaster, as anyone who has watched this clown knows he cannot manage a game or the clock. The constant playing down, the poor discipline, lousy locker-room all these fails have been obvious for years.

He's not getting fired, we all know this, because the team is by NFL average standards 'successful' there's no 2-14 seasons, there's a post-season app most years, but there's also a team stacked with talent, that has for years had the appearance of being a SB contender at face value, but in reality that has had no chance of winning a SB, and doesn't have chance this season either. Add to that Steelers HC historical HC philosophy and he's going to here for the forseeable future IMO, Ben retires? That's fine, the excuse will be 'no QB' if another FQB doesn't emerge.

We are starting to remind me of Al Davis' late era Raiders, stuck in the past, dysfunctional and unwilling to change. That's a hell of bad place to be, the Raiders have never recovered from 20 years of late Davis era clowning. Look at them now, their last consistently good team was nearly 20 years ago, with Gruden and Rich Gannon at the helm. The Steelers need to wake the f up before they end up in the same black hole the Raiders were/are still in, maybe a hole they can't get out of. 20 years or rebuilding and somehow they have the oldest roster in football, reaching back to the past to try and ressurect the team with a HC who has possibly been out the game too long - but the jury is still out yet.

The Steelers are still a premier NFL franchise, but so were the Raiders for decades, just because you once were/are does not mean you can maintain that lofty position forever, and once you lose it, you may never get it back.

 

The Steelers organization is in a weird place right now. They have a head coach who wins enough games to be considering successful, but also one who will most likely always be irrelevant in the post season. Ownership can be said to be too conservative for their own good from a business perspective. So should you just feel fortunate that you have a franchise that posts mostly successful regular seasons? Or do you take the risks associated with making a change to go beyond that with the caveat the team can be worse, ie pain for gain?

I know which direction I would choose if I was running this franchise but sadly I know current ownership does not agree. The fear of change and the negative what if's clouds their judgement.

 

We agree...I was saying the same thing to you last year about needing a new voice and I compared it to the Girardi situation because I know you're a Yankee fan as well. They both have won a ring and Girardi was a pretty good manager but it was time. Just like the success that Boone is having basically because of the talent on the roster. Is he doing a nice job ...yes but it remains to be seen if he can take them over the top. I'm afraid Tomlins voice is lost among a few other major flaws. Sometimes it's just time. Just like the Yankees weren't afraid to bring in a unproven manager that shouldn't be the reason to keep Tomlin.

 

He's had enough time and enough talent plus years of knowing his job was always safe to have shown who he is, and he has, he's a pumped up secondary coach at best. There's nothing under the hood. The Steelers need to be bold and try and find a young coach with his own ideas.

There's no substance to him, and after 12 years he can't get coaching 101 right - managing a game. Just imagine this guy trying to manage 162 baseball games a year, where there's calls to make non stop, every inning, not 2-3 calls at the absolute most when the game is getting late.

How after 12 years as a HC you cannot see your defense cannot get a stop defies belief, this belies an inflexible mind and tunnel vision. His thought process is always this is who we are, this is what we do, and if we fail then we tip our cap and try harder next time. In the world of commerce he'd have gone the same way as Blockbuster.

That's simply not good enough.

 

Who the hell is Munchank?

 

I had a Packers fan tell me today he thinks Tomlin has lost the team, lost the locker room. The Bell situation has just broken things open.I can't say I don't see the point.

 

This season will be his undoing. Team full of stars and it’s falling apart. He will not survive this team. He’s lost them. Stick a fork in him. He’s done.

 

My guess is that Tomlin will survive but Colbert might be the fall guy. Maybe he should be.

 

At this point I am willing to shake things up. As it stands right now we are missing the playoffs. Best case scenario is the division poops itself and we win the division. Then early round exit. It's kind of hard to root for this team knowing the end result.

put a new coach, heck promote munch. Stop losing to terrible teams and show some resilience in the playoffs.

I don't expect a SB every year but at least beat the scrub teams most of the time, and beat pats/jags every now and then.

 

Something to do with a Redemption, I think...

 

They both have to go.

Colbert and staff seem incapable of finding any talent beyond WR and some RB talent. They are completely inept at defensive talent only occasionally getting one right.

Tomlin is letting the players run the team. We all know this regardless of what the media paints him out to be. I love every time a talking head, after a dumb game, says that "Tomlin wont put up with this" and the team goes right back to being dumb. They both have to go for this team to start being a championship team again. The ownership has to stop buying into their own hype with this consistency thing. Consistency is only good when what you have works. What we have now isn't working and pretty soon they are going to wake up and see that the team has been destroyed beyond easy repair.

 

Personally I always thought Cowher made Colbert look good because I had a feeling Cowher was the guy making the shopping list.

 

If he had lost the team there is no way they come back from down 21-0 to tie it by the half after he got them all together on the sideline. They would have given up and just kept falling farther and farther behind.

That said, fire him. I honestly don't care. At the least it would stop the incessant bitching about him instead of the actual players on the field who keep sucking. To me that is the bigger issue. But hopefully it is the coach so we can replace him with someone competent and compete immediately. After all we are stacked on defense and it is merely incompetent coaching that is preventing us from rolling.

 

Really? I have to disagree.

Like I said before, we have TJ Watt and a bunch of average players... many of which would not start on other teams.

Shazier was above the line like Watt... but he's probably done. Steelers have whiffed on too many 1st and 2nd round defensive draft picks and now it's coming back to bite them.