Official Fire Keith Butler Immediately Thread

I don’t know who is responsible for drafting on the defensive side. Whoever it is that guy has to go.

There is no defensive coordinator alive who could build a good game plan around the stiffs, busts, and jobbers the Steelers run out there every week. Other than Cam, Watt, and maybe Tuitt I am not sure anyone on that defense would be starting for a real Super Bowl contender.

 

Tom Bradley? I don't know.

 

Yeah not sure if it was Haden being out or Sutton being torched on the first drive but they just weren't draped over anyone in the pattern. No hand fighting, no making them fight to get position , it was hike the ball, Mahomet has 5 seconds to hit guys in stride.

 

To me the real problem is tomlins philosophy of “we plan to focus only on ourselves and are totally unconcerned with what the other team plans to do”; We take the approach of being able to “will ourselves to win” through pure physicality as opposed to playing the mental game. All I ever hear from Tomlin when we lose are about the players losing the physical or technical battle, but almost never about gameplan execution.

Our coaches seem to teach the position within our scheme but not the game plan....our defense looks like they have no idea what’s going on and look totally surprised when we don’t match up exactly the same way as we did did when we played another team. Hell,our coaches seem just as surprised!

If we make a switch we need someone who is creative and thinks outside the box, like Lebeau did when the 3-4 was exotic many years ago. Just like in the real world innovation is the key to staying on top and the status quo will leave you in the dust.

P.s. Can we please stop with the cover two...Hey Tomlin , It doesn’t work like it did with Tampa 15 years ago!

 

I don’t believe that BS Tomlin says. They game plan, just not very good.

 

This is, by far, the worst Steelers defense I have seen in 46 years. Even during some of Noll's lean years late in his career, his defensive units might not have been the most talented, but they were scrappy and played hard because they feared for their jobs. The Montana's and Marino's might have won by a couple of TD's, but they paid for it in sweat equity and blood.

This squad looks confused and out manned. If Tomlin is coach cheerleader, then why is Watt the only guy on defense I see playing with any passion? The secondary other than Haden often play as if they never played organized football before. Positioning - terrible. Tackling technique - what technique? ball skills - they attack as if it is a hand grenade.

Someone said in the game day thread that it isn't all on Butler. They don't have enough good players. That is true. Someone else said how do we know, we never see any improvement and THAT falls to bad coaching. I think the secondary other than Haden is a combination of bad coaching and mediocre talent. Haden is a good football player that played his first eight years in one of the worst pro sports organizations of all time, and he is STILL way better than any other secondary player currently on their roster. That is epic fail by coaches, scouting AND ownership.

 

It was very frustrating to say the least.

 

Bradley can't even get his secondary on the same page

 

I honestly don’t believe it’s totally the players. I think Butler is just trying to be too cute.

 

Yeah I don’t see a first year guy calling the plays.

 

I do think there's some truth to it though. In his interview for the head coaching job, one of the things he said was that he's not much of a scheme guy and that the most violent team often wins. That quote stuck with me as soon as I heard it, even before Tomlin ever coached a game for us, because I so strongly disagreed with it and was actually a bit worried that we hired a guy with that mentality.

Tomlin may not mean exactly what he says, but he does regularly seem to insinuate that he's going to execute his game plan regardless of what the other team is doing.

 

They're pathetic and it starts at the very top: Colbert. The drafts, other than Tuitt and Watt, have been abysmal. Bust, after bust, after bust, after bust. Then you go to Tomlin, who has zero control of a god damn zoo right now. Then, down to Butler, who was given a pass because of the love for LeBeau, for THREE YEARS, until FINALLY the media woke up and realized he cannot coach a defense. The rest of the position coaches are equally as bad and that includes Porter and Bradley, who hasn't been relevant in football for ten years and when he was he was coaching soft zones at PSU that led to losses in the clutch. His defenses at UCLA were terrifyingly bad.

TWO WORDS: CLEAN. SWEEP.

They all need to go and if Rooney can't bring himself to do it he needs to HIRE someone to come in and do it.

 

Not to mention that their head coaching search was not exhaustive at all. They were waiting on Ron Rivera and cancelled it cause they decided we'll just go with this guy I guess. Russ Grimm was the other candidate who would have been awful.

 

Wasn’t Wisinhunt on that list as well?
Also Chan Gailey?

 

Whisenhunt was dismissed immediately. They said go to Arizona cause we're not interested. Gailey was lightly considered I don't even know if they brought him in for a face to face.

 

Our defense died with shaz. Sad but true

 

The man in my avatar enjoyed success after the release of Tim Lewis and the addition of Dick LeBeau.


Not saying there is another Dick LeBeau out there but another outside hire would be a welcome addition. As it stands currently, Butler is running out of time with the Front Office at this point.


Furthermore and, as I said, should Pittsburgh fall short this season, massive heads will be rolling without question.

 

It went from meh to abysmal

 

Heads rolling without question? Not likely. Butler is a buddy of Tomlin's.

 

What do you consider 'falling short'?

 

If I remember right, Wiz received more interest than Gailey, who I think was just a media name drop because of his prior employ with Pittsburgh. No one ever even heard of Tomlin before he was hired.

I'd really like to know how much power Tomlin actually has. The reason for the question is that compared to Cowher, his assistants seem to be tenured. The Jaw fired assistants about as frequently as the Browns lose.

 

7-8-1 lol

 

As I said, it will be fair to question whether or not Tomlin can get us over the hump. Should he be unable to this season, maybe not Tomlin but oh most definitley Butler.

 

Really? I tend to think of it more as Tomlin again being stuck with someone whose record is good and so he let it stand even though he knows his Tampa-2 could work better or at least in his mind. I think Tomlin really wants a 4-3 cover 2 defense and it just rolling with what KC and the ownership want.