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http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/05/ro ... -be-happy/

 

That made me chuckle, I think that was a subtle dig at us fans when he says "so the fans should be happy."

I don't see that as a bad thing, not bashing Ben, but it made me laugh a little.

 

Seems a bit unhappy and as if he cares more for his own stats then winning

 

yeah that's it

 

Well it is going to be interesting. 2 go in, 1 comes out, welcome to Thunderdome. Ben doesn't like anything about this situation. Could be good - he has thrived on being disrespected in the past (on the field anyway.) I can't wait to watch the battle of wills. Haley can call the plays, but Ben can audible out of them. Will make for some entertaining sideline drama. I think we are headed for 2 possible outcomes - the tension makes everyone sharper and we kick a--, or a split in ranks occurs and we crash and burn.

 

Drama Queen!!

 

Anyone else considering the possibility that some of his comments are planned? I mean the media has obviously made a bigger deal out of this than I think it really is and they seem to keep trying to fuel the fire with baited questions. I'm not so sure Ben isn't saying things publicly that are different than what he thinks or feels behind the scene. Maybe misleading or messing with the media a bit, or even attempting to mislead other teams about how our offense will look?

IDK, it just seems odd to me that Ben would still be making comments like he is about the new offense. It almost seems planned.

 

yea but this stuff is off of steelers depot. it's not like it's out there on the main stream press. i don't think it's a big deal. he's allowed to feel however he wants. if it works though and is better for the team then just do it. they don't care what ben thinks. they run the team not ben. they are trying to keep him healthy, and are putting all the weapons he could ask for around him, you think he would embrace it. sure it will take some effort to learn.

 

Yep, exactly. This isn't even a story anymore. Its a-holes like this that always have to make a soap opera out of everything.

 

Why do you guys think Ben gets targeted with these stories and not the other QB's in the league? Ben brings this stuff on himself. Why can't he tow the company line, instead of constantly implying that he hates the new offence, he doesn't want to run the ball more, among other things.

 

Yes, I know, I've been accused before of hearing what I want to hear simply because of my hatred for Ben, but it does work both ways. Those who love Ben and defend him to the bitter end are just as biased as I am and are just as guilty of hearing what they want to hear, or ignoring what is actually there. Am I reading something that isn't there? I honestly don't believe so. When I read every interview he's given since Haley was hired and put them altogether, Ben comes across as a spoiled kid that's pouting because he didn't get what he wanted.

He's supposed to be a professional, and he hasn't acted like it since BA was fired. He's been pouting ever since, and it seems pretty apparent to me by reading all his interviews. Just once it would be nice if he would act like Peyton Manning. If you listen to Manning's interviews, he comes across as very excited about what the offence is doing in Denver. Whether he truly is or isn't doesn't matter, he comes across that way. Why can't Ben act like a leader and say how excited he is to be running this new offence, how excited he is about the new playbook, how he believes we'll be a great offensive team this year, etc. Instead of that, he throws out little jabs at the coaches and the fans. Yes, the interviewer baited Ben, but Ben still bit. He didn't put words in Ben's mouth, Ben said everything all on his own. Ben is basically complaining that he believes we'll be running the ball too much. If that's a problem, he should go talk to his coaches, not reporters.

 

Thank you Shaner. We are adults here and it doesn't take much time on this earth to hear implications and undertones when someone is speaking. It's the reporters fault for what words Ben is saying. I'd like to think i've got a somewhat of a bull s@#t detector and know when something is being spun or misunderstood and taken out of context.

These reporters are reporting it and loving it no doubt. Ben is serving up red meat for them and all they need to do is stick a mic in his face and he'll give them the straight dope with barely a filter. All the other locker room guys who might have checked him on this stuff are gone. And he is talking down to the fans about the running nonsense. Typical Ben. I can't tell you how much he's bumming me out for the upcoming season. Ariens is finally gone and nearly universally excepted as a great move except for mr. crybaby and all he seems to do is focus on the negative. This whole momentum the team should have with new oline and coach goes through him and he never SEEMS to be on board. What a ________ !!!

 

I was always taught that if the workers were not doing the right thing that was management's fault. I blame Steelers management for Ben's attitude and comments. It is their job to manage the talent. They did not do a good job of that in the last few months. We are not talking about one stray comment. We are talking about a length of time where it is obvious the most important player on the team doesn't like what management is doing. Steelers management made 2 major mistakes.

1 - They didn't make Ben feel like he was involved in the process. Once BA was let go, they should have sat with Ben, discussed the firing, told him how important he was to the organization and then asked him for advice on hiring the new OC. They still were going to pick whoever they were going to pick, but could have managed it much better. A star NFL QB is the most valuable member of the team, that is why he gets paid more than anyone else, including the coaches. They didn't give him that respect.

2. As soon as they saw his attitude, they all needed to lock themselves in a room, let Ben say his piece and then they should have told him to bury it there and get with the program. No matter how badly he thinks it was handled, you can't have your most valuable player looking less than 110% in favor of the new OC and the direction of the team.

 

Exactly! Well said! But, you have to remember that there is no such thing as common sense and it does not exist because it does not fit the Ben haters narrative.

 

one thing i will say about the situation and you guys can make your own determination about it is.... the new cba has restricted the presses acsess to the players in mini camp and ota's. they have to get stuff when they can now. i'll bet you will get more of this kind of press being put out there. they need something for people to talk about since they don't have fresh material like before. why wouldn't they turn a mt. into a molehill just to keep there little piece of the puzzle somewhat noteworthy? they want to move up and be recognized, and without material, you create some. so get ready for it.

 

Ben is upset and he is taking jabs.....He will get over it it''s really no big deal.......Under BA he had a free pass he got to practice brocken pass plays and probally was never required to study the playbook or practice run plays...

I read an article about DJ where he says he is very happy to be at FB only because in the past he would be inserted in the game without even having practice time at FB....Also Ben had a quote last year about a busted running play and why it happened,,,he stated he didn't know what happened he didn't know much about the running game.....

Theses things prove to me that our past OC allowed Ben to not study or practice the run game and it makes perfect sense that he is uncomfortable having to learn things he hasn't in years maybe even never....

Haley is trying to make him a complete QB and maximize his skills and keep him healthy....All of this is good for the Team ,but Ben must accept it and realize that the run game and PA is his best friend....A lot different than the BA way where the brocken play was his best friend....

 

Good job, I think you're preachi ng to the choir in here for the most part though. Most of us knew the offense was not operating with no real direction for the last few years. I firmly believe that if he had a firm grasp of the whole offense, then he would have been hitting a wide open Heath on the last few throws of SB 45.

 

You're right, he's taking jabs and has been ever since BA got fired. I'm just getting tired of this pouting act he has going. He's supposed to be a team leader and a professional, and I'm sick and tired of him not acting like it. It's these little jabs that need to stop. He's not 22 anymore.

 

Lizard, I think you are mostly wrong and PWP is spot on. There is a very large contingent in here that carry Ben's water for him. I think more people might voice negative opions on Ben's non playing actions but feel deep down somewhere that it would be anti Steelers or they'd be traitors speaking against the 2 time superbowl QB, quasi team leader and best draft pick since Rod Woodson. Instead, people just want to pick on low hangign fruit like William Gay and if you speak out about the king you're a head hunting Benedict Arnold.

The other part about him not embracing the play book and film room seems to be the story.

Nobody would be happier than me if he came in and attempted the kind of classroom ethic some of the other eliet QB's do...

 

I don't think so, I said the Offense, and the prevailing opinion in here is that the Offense is not getting it done in crunch time. Whether people want to hang it on Ben, Arians, the running game, etc.

I never said he was wrong and I think I agreed with him. I just think most people are on the same page regarding Ben's comments as opposed to the other players comments on the Offense. It seems he's the only one making these little "slips" or whatever you want to call them.