No Hot Routes

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they did have them but removed them because of KP.

 

that's their fault then.

 

Yeah, "No hot routes" is crazy talk.
That's just very hard to accept. You always have a 'safety valve' on just about every play.
And I know Kenny has audibled to counter a zero.
So, I am really confused with Pat's remark. You simply cannot have an offense without checks.
His statement just loads the knuckle dragging crow with an injection of nitrous.
He had to understand this as well as the ramifications that are going to follow.
If true, this entire staff needs to be immediately fired. There is no justification for such a practice.

 

Passing coordinator doesn’t have much if anything to do with it. It’s experience and familiarity. Ben didn’t have hot routes his rookie year. He wasn’t grabbing his facemask as a signal to Hines. He didn’t have a one word code with the center like he did with pouncey. These are things that take time to develop.

 

well how do you justify that you hold back 53 players because a bad coach has a contract and that's what is keeping them from replacing him? how does bringing in another former OC help to not start a power struggle only complicating problems? if he's not doing his job then fire him. it happens every day.

 

yet our head coach let it happen.

 

I get it now... I watched the show.

Pat is talking about that communication that is not about the play.
It is that look or gesture to a rec'r to let him know the defense is doing X and you're the target... run this route instead.

That does take time to develop.
And Kenny needs to build that non-verbal communication with his guys.
They've got a good group in there that started clicking much better towards the end.
And even Pat has to take part in that, ie: "If the LB lines up with outside leverage, then I'll cut inside" even though the play calls for an out pattern.
Or DJ, if he sees single safety over the top, he looks at Kenny and they know to go post or go route.
Ben was a master of that sort of stuff.

 

It's called a dump off, or throw the ball away.
Ben didn't have hot routes His first year. Hell He was only asked to read one side of the field ,or the other for 3/4 s of His 1st season. He has said this.

 

Damn maybe they should hire me ..lol .Even a High School Team has Hot Routes, really no excuse for not implementing this basic stuff. It's Passing 101 ..This also explains why we have no YAC as it is essential to have hot routes in the passing tree this helps with spacing and keeping multiple targets out of the same area thus giving a guy more room to run after the catch .. Most good OC'S already have a hot route designed into the play or at least 1 guy running a check down route behind a clear out or deeper route..

We for sure need a passing Coordinator. Well we need a new OC but at the least we need someone who knows more about routes and route designs ..Heck we should hire a Blitz Guru as well maybe a Defensive play caller to work with the Passing Coordinator to help him with what the blitz is trying to do and where the weakest spots are in each blitz..Maybe with them 2 and Matt they can actually formulate a Offensive Attack ?

 

That was something even Ben was missing the last few years. The defender lines up 5 yards off the receiver and is rocking backwards or better yet is moving backwards presnap you call your hot route and hit that quick slant. Yet time and time again they didn't and kept the same route expecting the receivers to beat coverage and make a long completion when you need 4 for a 1st down and they are giving it to you with the defensive scheme.

 

I do agree. It seemed JuJu wasn't necessarily on Ben's wavelength sometimes. A. Brown and Ben clicked well as did a few others.
But to clarify my remarks, that's not a call per se, it is that grab the facemask and lick your right hand which means: "The DB is in soft shell, run slant right (in)"
Kenny and these guys need to get that sort of thing working.

 

The guy should have been fired and the steelers eat the money to bring in a new coordinator. Getting him help, just says we are too cheap to move on. The Cowboys OC became available and he had produced some good offenses with the Cowboys and the chargers scooped him up based on the article I read. Had the Steelers job been open I can't imagine he would not have been interested. I didn't look further if he was widely regarded but his numbers from the article seemed to be pretty good.

 

No you said it's because he has a contract. Not every team keeps an underperforming coach just because he has a contract. We seem to though. I just don't think leftwich is that savior. Why would he even want to be second fiddle or Canada either? It just doesn't make sense to try to install two different halves of an offense instead of one guy that can do the job, just because one guy still has a contract.

 

Tomlin is the next Jeff Fisher....He love the low scoring game way too much,this is sad

 

Should have canned Matt and signed Lefty . Mike will not want to Coach forever so at least Lefty is possible HC material.. If not him we need guys like him in the system..The 1 positive is it shows how loyal the Steelers are to their Coaches this may attract the right talent in the future..

 

Kellen Moore is going to be a quality Offensive Coordinator.
The Chargers were right to jump right on that and they have a good offense for him to work with.
Pittsburgh has a really good offense to work with too, but they didn't even make a call.

There's something to be said for OJT and bringing your OC along...
bringing in a good passing game or run game 'coordinator' is not always a bad thing.
But I don't know here. I am not sure of the behind the scenes mindset.

 

Tomlin makes $8m a year so he will certainly take an extension if its offered. He just has to incrementally improve and he has a job for a long time. I was hoping new coordinators would infuse much needed skill into our coaching staff. Somebody said here somewhere but we are holding onto "our way" of doing things and the stability factor is so entrenched it might be blinding ownership to making the moves they need to make. Time will tell if they are right in their thinking. If no legit deep playoff or Super Bowl run is made within the next 5 years is that enough, 10? The implication of holding onto the Steelers way is that it is better, so when do they say Uncle and change?

 

Can we start a go fund me to buy out Canada?

 

I am with you. I actually see it as a positive. We won 9 times with a paired back offense, a bunch of first and second year players on offense with essentially whole new offensive line and the most critical pice to our defense out half the year. Not to mention we had a pretty tough schedule.

I don’t see how we can not be better in 2023.

 

Dude that was hilarious

I would definitely donate Glemms money.