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Next year rudolph/trubisky

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Mashburn, Dec 18, 2022.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    This. You can get the same production for cheaper.
     
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  2. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    they will both be gone
     
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  3. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    it depends

    where we draft and what QB is on the board early. If a stud falls, then take him.
     
  4. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    In the first round? No, they don't take him, not unless concussion issue is a lot worse than we have been led to believe.
     
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  5. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    I was not saying that he is without fault. But leaving the QB room with just Pickett is not a good decision. And like we both stated Rudolph is gone.

    Unless they have their mind on someone else or he wants to be released to find a starting position then yes. Or they ask him to take a pay cut.
     
  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I hope they will explore some other options, but they may have to stick with Trubisky at $8 million as their backup.
     
  7. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Going to have to play the waiting game to see if their is a better option. I'm looking forward to next season. What Kahn and Weidl will do. Hopefully some coordinator changes.
     
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  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure they will want to keep Mitch at his current contract number in 2023.
     
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  9. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Or draft another Oladukon in the 7th round :shrug:.
     
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  10. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Nobody is trading for Mitch with that contract :rolleyes:.
     
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  11. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    Mitch stays
    Pickett plays
    Mason jars err umm
    bags
    My groceries
     
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  12. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully the Steelers will take Taulia Tagovailoa in the first round. I'm certain SDOTs head will do the "Scanners".
     
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  13. Karl

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    That could well be.
    To keep him on the remaining deal it is $10.6 Million.
    To release him (any way around it) the Dead Cap is only $2.6 Million, and they save $8 Million.

    They are going to have to figure a balance as you do want a 'capable vet' to back up Kenny (and also be sort of a mentor/sounding board)
    I think Mason is not an option in any way.
     
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  14. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    If they feel he is worth keeping and he wants to stay they might extend him another year to lessen the hit.

    Truth.
     
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  15. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I could see Trubisky going either way, but Rudolph is gone. I don't think the Steelers even have any say in the matter. He hasn't said much, but going out of his way to point out that it is his teammates, not the team, that he loves last week seemed like a pretty good indicator.
     
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  16. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think that the capable vet backup/mentor needs to be someone who understands that his role is to be a backup to the young guy being groomed. That’s definitely not Mitch, and I don’t know whether Mason would be happy in that role either.
     
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  17. Karl

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    Mitch has not yet realized that he sucks. :roflmao:

    Jokes aside, I agree 100%
     
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  18. mikeyg

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    i agree - another concussion in these last 3 games, and we are looking for a QB....

    BUT - what if we pick and Bryce Young is there (he won't be), or Will Levis (he won't be) , CJ Stroud (interesting....)

    we will see.......how Kenny looks with 16 of the season left.
     
  19. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Concussions don't work like that. It isn't an exact science or some set number. By one report I read, Troy Polamalu had seven by the time his career at USC was over, so before he made it to the NFL. It wasn't really a problem in the pros.

    If you listen to Hines Ward, it sounds like he had at least that many and we don't even know the number because he often lied about symptoms.

    We aren't even sure he had one the first time early in the season. Given that he was right back in practice, I'm not certain, though it seems likely.

    The medical reports on him would have to be very bad for them to spend a first-round pick on a quarterback. I don't think Levis is a better bet than Pickett. Stroud and Young will be more highly regarded out of college, but that guarantees nothing. As you said, all three will likely be gone before the Steelers pick, anyway.
     
  20. mikeyg

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    good thoughts

    i think it is Kenny or bust, for a few years.

    there are some 'big uglies' there early in the draft that I would like to add to either side of the LOS.
     
  21. Karl

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    I took issues with the write-up that said:
    What passes for a "solid performance?" I guess it would be no interceptions.
    I did like a few things that he did do, other things he was awful at.
    Overall, 'solid for a backup' might be ok.

    Chances of drafting a QB in the 1st round: Probably about the same as me running a 4.0 40yd.
    An indicator of that might be some sort of announcement allowing Kenny to seek a trade or something crazy like that.
    I'm trying to recall a team that has done such a thing. (Washington and Dallas come to mind, but they drafted 2 QB's same year)

    In any case, since there are more pressing needs, they will probably focus on those.

    I am curious as how they go.
    Omar has been more the "Cap-ologist"
    Weidel has his name on some good names in football.

    1st out of the box is, do they make changes in coaching (Canada, Austin)?
    Either way, the next step is to figure out how to provide players that will fit what they want to do in those systems (new or same).

    If Tomlin decides to call it a career (probably would say something around the Ravens game) then there's a lot of work to do.
    I don't expect that, but you never know.
     
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  22. Formerscribe

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    The only example I can come up with is what the Cardinals did, taking Rosen in the first round in 2018, then Kyler Murray No. 1 overall in 2019, but they had a head coaching change in between those selections. To the dismay of many on this site, Tomlin isn't going anywhere. I doubt he is going to retire or quit on this note. Hell, he is only 50 years old.

    They did have a change in GM since the 2022 draft, but Khan was already in the organization. I would be very surprised if he wasn't part of those discussions.

    Washington was odd in 2012, taking two quarterbacks in the same draft, but one of those picks was a fourth-rounder. It was a strange decision, but one that worked for them when injuries derailed Griffin's career. Cousins was probably too good of a value to pass up in the fourth round.

    The Cowboys were a closer equivalent with Troy Aikman in the first round in 1989, then Steve Walsh in the first round of that year's supplemental draft. That ended up being a costly error, but one Jimmy Johnson was able to overcome in building the Cowboys' dynasty in the '90s.

    I found a pretty good write-up of it here. It's a blog and the speculation is a little iffy, but he seems to have his facts right. It definitely cost them the first overall selection in the 1990 draft. They wouldn't have taken Jeff George, who went with that pick. Blair Thomas would have been a disaster because they traded up with the Steelers to get the 17th pick that year and took Emmett Smith. I think it was more likely Johnson would have wanted Cortez Kennedy, who played for him at Miami. He also said after the draft that he might have taken Junior Seau, who went No. 5 overall.
     
  23. forgotten1

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    Matt Ryan? Nein danke

    Come on guys. You act like you don't watch the games or know football.

    Mitch is worth it.
    Please remember that KP is prone to concussion too.
     
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  24. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Two times doesn't make a guy prone to concussions.
     
  25. Karl

    Karl Well-Known Member

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    This is spot on.
    I had forgotten about the Cardinals and the dwarf king.
    What mess that was. Even so, I believe they had gone the "Rosen can seek a trade route" as I recall Washington being in the running, but the price was a little high and Gruden didn't rank Rosen that high.

    Kahn probably was in those discussions, and I am of the opinion that Tomlin isn't going anywhere. If there is any change, it will be one or both coordinators.
    I like the angle they took in that more or less they let Omar do as he's done, and Weidel will be the doing the lifting thereby combining those skill sets for the biggest bang.


    Regarding the coordinators.
    As I've said and many of the players and coaches around the league, commentators, etc...
    It's easy to blame the coaching.

    You have to look at the schematics of the unit, offense/defense.
    I've been a little down on Canada - around the league, there questions about him. He has a mismatch kluge of ideas and calls.
    I think he's getting better but I also think Kenny is getting a little more freedom at the line.
    Austin on the other hand, seems to be regressing.
    Stay tuned, January is just around the corner.
     

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