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NB's Top 32

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by SteelCity_NB, Apr 3, 2017.

  1. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I've been holding onto this for a while, since the conclusion of the combine. Just got time to finish the write-ups recently. This isn't a true big board as some things haven't happened post-combine which has moved some people up and down (injuries). I will re-slot this to confirm to a true big board prior to the draft. Injuries since the combine have not been reflected in these rankings. These are just the 32 players who I think are the best 32 players in the draft. I have some write-ups at the bottom.

    Top 32
    1. S Malik Hooker, Ohio St
    2. DL Solomon Thomas, Stanford
    3. DL Jonathan Allen, Alabama
    4. S Jamaal Adams, LSU
    5. WR Mike Williams, Clemson
    6. CB Sidney Jones, Washington
    7. CB Marshon Lattimore, Ohio St
    8. DE Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
    9. RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
    10. S Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
    11. CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
    12. TE OJ Howard, Alabama
    13. LB Haason Reddick, Temple
    14. OL Cam Robinson, Alabama
    15. WR John Ross, Washington
    16. WR Corey Davis, Western Michigan
    17. OT Garrett Bolles, Utah
    18. RB Christian Mccaffrey, Stanford
    19. DT Malik McDowell, Michigan St
    20. LB Reuben Foster, Alabama
    21. CB Gareon Conley, Ohio St
    22. S Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut
    23. DE Derek Barnett, Tennessee
    24. DL Chris Wormley, Michigan
    25. DE/OLB Takk McKinley, UCLA
    26. OLB Tim Williams, Alabama
    27. OG Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
    28. OG Dan Feeney, Indiana
    29. LB TJ Watt, Wisconsin
    30. QB Deshaun Watson, Clemson
    31. QB Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
    32. CB Adoree Jackson, USC

    Notes
    - Unlike most, I do not have Myles Garrett as the #1 overall prospect. I don't even have him in the Top 5. I have seen too many "elite" edge rushers over the years with superb athletic numbers who just have not panned out. I think Garrett could be among that group. Is he a complete bust like Vernon Gholston or Dion Jordon or just overhyped like Mario Williams or Jadeveon Clowney? At this point, probably the latter.

    - I have Malik Hooker as the clear cut #1 prospect. I watch his tape and he screams Ed Reed. I understand that his resume is thin, but I see a guy who can play the single high FS all day long. You build your defense around him. Tremendous range. He has a special skill set. Adams looks more like a complete SS. He does everything extremely well.

    - Thomas and Allen are very disruptive from either the inside or outside. They are consistently disruptive and productive. They are the type of players you can build a defense around.

    - Even though most have him highly rated, I still find Mike Williams underrated. He was the best player on the best college team this year. I think he was also the missing piece from the 2015 Clemson team. He is a Dez Bryant type of WR. John Ross could be the most explosive WR to enter the league in a while. Plays a Desean Jackson type of game. If he goes to a team with the right QB, watch out. Davis may be the best route runner of the big 3 receivers but I see as more of a system WR.

    - This is an excellent CB class. Last year's was great, but this year's could be even better. I have Sidney Jones as the best of the bunch. May have the best man to man skills and has a nose for the ball. He ruptured his achillies which will send him tumbling down the board. Like Jaylen Smith last year, I think someone takes him early 2nd round based on talent alone. I see Lattimore and Humphrey as day 1 high level starters. The more I watch Conley, the more I am impressed. Could be alot better than some give him credit for. I think Jackson is a bit more inconsistent, however, is one of the better ballhawks and can be a gamechanger.

    - I don't have Fournette as highly rated as I did Elliott last year but he is going to make a mark in the NFL. Elliott was so tremendous because he went to a team with the best Oline in the NFL. I doubt Fournette will be as lucky. I think he is good enough to overcome a bad Oline but don't expect Elliott type numbers. McCaffrey is very intriguing. A complete RB and may be the best receiving RB in years to come. I wouldn't be surprised if he outproduces Fournette, statistically, early on.

    - Jabrill Peppers is special. I know that. What position will he end up is anyones guess. If used correctly, and creatively I think he is a pro bowler for years to come. Whether its FS, SS, nickel/dime LB, returner and maybe even as a gadget offensive player. A player many coaches will covet.

    - OJ Howard is the real deal at TE. He does everything well. I'm not sure if he will ever be at Gronk's level of domination, but I think he could easily be a perennial 800 yard, 8 TD kind of TE while receiving quality blocking.

    - Haason Reddick may be the best finnesse pass rusher in the draft. He is undersized but it so twitchy I think he can succeed anywhere as a 3-4 LB defense or as a 4-3 WLB. The more this guy is allowed to attack up the field the more success that will come. TJ Watt will be another highly drafted LB. He doesn't have Reddick's athleticism, but where Reddick is more of a finesse LB, Watt plays with heart and grit and is a bit more of a brawler. I think he could start immediately as a 3-4 ILB or 4-3 LB. If he gets bigger and develops more pass rush moves, he may be able to play in the NFL as an edge rusher

    - I think this OL draft is quite weak overall, but there are some very intriguing options in the 1st round. Whether Cam Robinson finds a home at OT or OG, he knows how to move people. If you want to establish a run game, draft this guy. The same can be said for Lamp and Feeney inside. I think Bolles is the best OT prospect. The fact that he is overaged may have worked in his favor, but his athleticism on the outside is off the charts.

    - I'm not sure how Reuben Foster's combine fiasco will affect his draft status, but even discounting that, he is the best pure ILB in the draft. A cornerstone of the Alabam defense the past 2 years. Tim Williams is extremely interesting. Easily the best first step in the draft. If he was a complete LB, he would be a top 10 pick. I think his off the field problems could cause him to slide, but as a situaional pass rusher, this guy is worthy of being a 1st round pick. He is going to compile some sacks in the NFL.

    - Anyone following the draft process is familiar with Melifonwu. I had a 2nd round grade on him pre-combine as he was an excellent safety at UCONN. The combine probably confirmed Melifonwu will actually be an elite safety. I expect a team somewhere in the teens will fall in love with his meausrables.

    - There is a group I have as late 1st round/early 2nd round pass rushers. Some are beter suited in a 4-3 (Barnett) while I think some can make the transition as a 3-4 OLB (McKinley). I think they all have some holes in their game but all are capable at getting to the QB.

    - I think 2 QBs have 1st round qualities, although, I would not bet on them being elite QBs. I think Watson is a winner, which counts for alot in my book. Trubisky may be the more prototypical guy but if I was a team looking for a franchise QB I go with Watson.

    - Overall this is a pretty good draft class. I think CBs, Safety, Edge Rushers and Wide Receivers run deep in this class. Not a great QB, OL, TE or interior Dline class as a whole. I feel pretty confident, that within the first 100 picks, teams should be able to acquire quality players, I'm not sure if there is enough depth to carry over to the Day 3 picks.
     
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  2. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    so you don't think TE or interior d-line is deep in this class? hmmm.:hmm::cool:
     
  3. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    That's correct.

    As I stated, Howard is the real deal. I have Shaheen as my #2 TE. He is not a good blocker now, as I doubt coaches at Ashland focused too much on it. Given his size, I think he could be taught on how to do it and do it well.

    Njoku and Engram are terrible blockers, undersized and both are considered "oversized WRs". If that's the case, I'll just take a WR. Both Njoku and Engram have drop problems too.

    A guy like Butt had a nice career at Michigan but I don't see success at the NFL level. That goes for alot of TEs in this class.

    As far as interior DL, yes I don't see alot of depth. As I said Thomas and Allen are special. McDowell will be very solid. I really like Wormley but even he I see more as a 3-4 DE. Huge dropout after this group. Couple of guys I like on Day 2 like Adams from Auburn and Brantley from Florida. Ogunjobi is interesting and could be a nice day 2 sleeper.
     
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  4. Steel_Elvis

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    I have watched Some tape of Howard, Shaheen, Engram and Njoku. Howard is the real deal. As a receiver, Shaheen looks no better to me than Jessie James other than being a year or so ahead in skill set. I think he's VERY overrated, and dominated because he we just so much bigger than anyone who tried to cover him. Kind of like how a 7 foot center in Div 2 college hoops would dominate, but never be anything in the NBA. I think Engram is the real deal as an H back type of TE. When I watched some of his games, I expected very bad blocking. However it's not awful. He makes an effort, and while he'll never move a lineman off the line of scrimmage, he does ok taking on LBs and safeties in space. Njoku may be the worst blocking TE to ever be drafted. It's laughable to watch. 1st-2nd round receiving talent by TE standards and undraftable blocking ability. He is the only TE I've ever seen who can get blown up at the point of attack by a nickel corner.

    I personally agree that the TE class is mediocre after Howard, and that may be putting it kindly.
     
  5. Blast Furnace

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    Nice right up, NB. I don't agree about Jake Butt an actually hope his injury drops him down far enough that we could take him. Everett is another guy I like. Howard is definitely the real deal and will be the most dominant TE since Gronk to come out.

    A guy thats not on your list that has worked his way into 1st rd, IMO, is Kevin King, Im actually finding myself hoping he is our pick if we don't go edge rusher there.
     
  6. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I am a big Kevin King fan. I think the 2nd round is flush would top quality DBs. I have Kevin King as the #7 CB behind the 5 I had listed in the 1st round and Tankersley from Clemson.
     
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  7. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Nice work SCNB Hooker is also the best player on my big board.
    Now lets times this list by by 32 different opinions x min 4 rounds
    and you can see what NFL gm's are going thru.This is why they get the big bucks.
    Back to Hooker, I watched him play HS basketball at New Castle, PA.
    truly a five star athlete. Ed Reed clone. Whoever gets him will be getting a good one.
    LOL listen to me pimping a Buckeye, May God help me.
     
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  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    kittle, plinke, butt are good blockers and are good receivers. just because they were under used doesn't make a lot of these TE's bad players, it's just the way they were used. pharaoh brown, leggett, hodges and a few others are move TE's and that was there job to catch passes much like green. there are not too many heath millers out there, especially on these read option college teams. kittle may be the best of the bunch as a blocker and if used more in the pass game can do that too. he's just not that 6-6 target.

    as far as d-linemen this is a pretty good bunch this year well deep. :cool:
     
  9. steelersrule6

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    Most of the guys on the list the Steelers have no shot at drafting.
     
  10. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Ah this is not why the list was created:facepalm:
     
  11. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    This list isn't from a Steelers perspective. Just an overall top 32 players in this draft.

    We will see what direction the Steelers go in. Will it be someone like a Takk McKinley,,TJ Watt, Melifonwu (fingers crossed) or one of the CBs. I know not many had us taking Artie Burns last year.
     
  12. turtle

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    Excellent list NB

    But I would grade the TE class higher overall. That position is evolving much like all the others to be pass oriented. Some of them may not be Kittle in the blocking dept. but teams are using them differently. How many blocks did L. Green have for us this year? I think the rating depends on the team philosophy. The do it all TE like Heath is becoming scarce. I don't think Buffalo (run oriented) would have Engram as desirable as Kittle but I think New Orleans would have Engram over Kittle. Both players are very good in their own right. And I think that's why we carried 2-3 TEs all year. Green/Grimble for receiving, DJ for blocking and the Outlaw for dual purposes. Just gives you better matchups.

    I think Njoku is the most overrated, but I think you can find solid players who will be very productive into the 4-5th round and I would consider that fairly deep.
     
  13. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    But beyond the top 3 or 4 guys, can you say for sure any are better than Green or James?
     
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    I don't know that anyone could say that without them playing an NFL down. But if you had these guys as the top 4 - Howard, Engram, Shaheen, Everett. Then it would depend on what you want out of the pick. Receiving threat, blocker, or dual guy. Because now you are just looking for Green insurance and depth. I know the Steelers won't jettison James. The kid is only 21 still, he will get much better over time. Green is a question mark with health. So would Michael Roberts be your receiving addition or Kittle to take DJs spot as a blocker with potential receiving ability? Jake Butt is a dual guy. Legget more a receiver. Depends on what piece they want to add.

    The list you said wasn't from a Steeler perspective and I think some very good TEs will be drafted in the 4th and possibly 5th. I would consider that position fairly deep.
     
  15. AskQuestionsLater

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    Interesting Myles Garrett is not even top five. Same goes for Malik Hooker at one as well. Seems more so of Eric Berry to me than Ed Reed but to each their own. :smiley1:


    Then again... some of those numbers are inflated in his college career due to lesser competition. Against tier one SEC competition, he notched up 12 sacks total if I recall.



    He does scream discount Mario Williams a bit to me. Even so, Mario Williams has had a great career; a "top flight" talent the Browns need s to acquire to become relavent again.



    Coaches nowadays can build their teams around blue chip pass rushers such as Houston. Issue is, they have to be J.J. Watt level to achieve some form of success. Cleveland's luck of drafting a quarterback may be more of the same. As such, trying something different like Garrett could help.



    In any case, great list and I do agree with Jabrill. He is top ten in mine as well (SPOILERS!!).
     
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  16. Wardismvp

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    Mario Williams has had a great career????? What career have you been watching?
    Over hyped Just like Clowney, all hype NO PRODUCTION. I will give Clowney
    a little more time, as far as Mario goes the Bills were a big loser in all of this, paid him lots of money to get minimal sacks, quit on his teammates. Yea a nice career LOL.
     
  17. coldrolled

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    Some mock on NFL.com has King going #26
     
  18. turtle

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    Yes, he wouldn't have to move far to play in Seattle. He's been a favorite mock draft pick for them it seems.
     
  19. coldrolled

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    where is Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin
     
  20. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'm a big Wisconsin fan. Watched him alot this year. Thin resume. Late season hip injury. Kind of a finesse guy. Just not a 1st round talent OT in my opinion.
     
  21. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    It's possible but I just don't know if I see 6+ CBs going in the first round.
     
  22. coldrolled

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    Most mocks have very few OL players being taken. I guess its a bad year for OL.
     
  23. AskQuestionsLater

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    So.... a player who has had multi year double digit sacks counts as being a loser?


    Most NFL pass rushers do not even see the amount of sacks Williams has. He is only three off from the century mark, a rare feat even by pass rushing greatness.
     
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  24. Blast Furnace

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    Yep. And as for Buffalo, he was misused there, had him dropping into coverage way too much. His specialty was rushing the passer, let him rush the passer. He did have a poor attitude about it though.
     
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  25. SteelCity_NB

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    I'll admit, I think it's a perception thing. Before I looked up the stats I would have said his career was a disappointment. When you look at the numbers it's pretty good. Maybe not #1 pick good or a franchise changing player. But you gotta give the guy his due.
     

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