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Najee says he had nobody to learn from

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by AtlSteel, Mar 20, 2025.

  1. jeh1856

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    Lots of players have incentives

    His actual contract is $5.25

    And only $3.75 guaranteed
     
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  2. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    My mom is dead too, maybe you should lay off the mom jokes then gramps ;).
     
  3. Thor

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    That may be breaking some laws.
     
  4. jeh1856

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    On second thought I don’t think my mom would have fed you

    She had high standards
     
  5. jeh1856

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    There are some zeros in there somewhere
     
  6. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I don't care :shrug:
     
  7. jeh1856

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    Which begs the question

    Why are you still living in the basement
     
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  8. SGSteeler

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    Hate to break it to you, but Najee only got 16.7 and 17.5 touches per game the last two years. That isn't "bell cow" numbers like he had with 22.5 touches per game in 2021. Jaylen as RB1 (assuming we don't draft a RB in round 1) will get every bit of that 16-17ish touches per game workload. It won't matter how many other backs share the rotational load.

    If he was worth giving the ball to 22.5 times a game, we would've continued to give it to him.... he earned a lesser share with his play (and his play slightly improved as his load lessened).
     
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  9. SGSteeler

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    "OL is trash" is a weak argument. The OL has been a weakness of our team for a few years now, not just 2021. Jaylen has had the same OL as Harris the past 3 years as well.....

    Hard to imagine that is all you got from that post, though. Bragging about ypc? That wasn't even close to the point I was making, its just a bullet point in there.... The point was that Najee's ypc improved when he got the ball less, which is a provable fact. It was literally a response to your notion that Harris only performed less because we "didn't give him the ball enough, and shouldn't have been splitting time/touches with Warren", like you said in the post I was responding to. The facts point to a different outcome than the one you believe to be true. Najee's productivity INCREASED as his role in the backfield DECREASED. He didn't have a huge year and then unjustly get a reduction in workload. He was performing poorly and we opted to split the workload a bit and the team got better for it. Simple as that. The stats show this to be a fact (Najee's stats, this part has zero to do with Warren).

    If his production was high with the higher workload, he'd have a multi year 10+ million a year contract. He's got a one year 5.25 million heavily incentive laden contract. He is legitimately guaranteed less money than Jaylen Warren is for the 2025 season...
     
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  10. steelersrule6

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    They had freaking Kendrick Green as the starting center in his rookie year who got knocked on his ass on just about every play, get out of here with that OL is trash is weak argument. Warren wouldn't have rushed for 1,200 yards and caught 70 passes behind that OL :shrug:.
     
  11. SGSteeler

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    I think he would've managed fine, since all you had to do was get enough touches. Volume cures all ails. I think there were dozens of backs in this league that could've gotten 1200 yards running in that offense. Especially given that they would be given over 300 carries over the course of the season. Did anyone care that Sam Howell threw for nearly 4000 yards and 21 TD's in 2023? No. Because he threw the ball more than any QB in the league. It didn't mean anything. Its the same point here.

    I think you need to look past the sheer numbers of 1200 and 70 and realize that there are TONS of backs in the league that can find a way to average 3.9 YPC in nearly any offense. There are backs in bad offenses that go crazy all the time. Look at Chuba Hubbard this year. His team was bottom 10 in PPG and bottom 5 in YPG. His team couldn't muster even 190 yards passing a game, yet he got 4.8 YPC and 1200 yards in 15 games. Tony Pollard got 1100 yards and 4.2 YPC in 16 games on a terrible Titans offense. In 2023 Bijan Robinson had 4.6 YPC and nearly 1000 yards on a terrible Atlanta offense and Derrick Henry got nearly 1200 yards on 4.2 ypc on a really bad Titans offense. Look at Saquon's career before Philly. Played on a lot of bad teams and put up numbers....

    You can make the excuse that the team around him was bad all you want (on a team that went to the playoffs mind you), but plenty of other backs can overcome that. It isn't an excuse that is worth entertaining... no matter how many times you say it. Najee's been nearly the same all 4 years. He's consistent, he's healthy, and he doesn't turn it over. But, he's just a guy. There are a ton of NFL backs that can produce the exact same as him. We wont miss him one bit.
     
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  12. Blast Furnace

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    Harris is a volume RB. Needed over 300 carries to reach 1200 yards. Meanwhile Warren was just a couple hundred yards short of 1,000 with 149 carries.

    They must be watching a different RB than I am because it’s easy to see Warren is more dynamic.
     
  13. Steelvision

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    Tough, perhaps good guy, took care of the ball, but poor vision and lack of quickness and speed and couldnt change direction very well, just a poor choice for a first round pick.
     
  14. Formerscribe

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    Much less reliable, with no idea if he can hold up to a heavier workload.
     
  15. SGSteeler

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    Yeah, I am sure his ypc won't be 4.8 with the increased load... It might be, of course, but he would have to hit a couple big ones on the season for it. I'd be more than happy with 250-260 carries for 1100-1150 yards. Maybe add in about 60 catches for another 400 yards. I think that is a more than achievable number and doing so on roughly 17 touches a game.

    Kid has another gear and is tough as nails. Hard to tackle. There's a reason why he is high up the league charts on forced miss tackles per carry, yards above expected, and yards gained past what is blocked for him. I am excited to see his workload go up. It wouldn't surprise me to see him turn in a solid season if he can stay healthy.
     
  16. JAD

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    Because Harris was a No. 1 pick and Warren was an undrafted free agent and the coaches do not like to admit their mistake.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

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    It’s not the issue you make it out to be. He’ll handle it fine.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He just took his job.
     
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  19. mac daddyo

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    here you go najee, i will teach you. get ball run through hole where no other color uniformed players are. there ya go big guy. RB 101. :smiley1::cool:
     
  20. Formerscribe

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    No, he didn't. The team went the cheaper route. Warren never could beat out Harris as long as both were on the roster.
     
  21. Born2Steel

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    Sort of reminds me of the Jim Gaffigan bit about what is a college bowling coach's job.


    "This time, I want you to knock down all the pins".
     
  22. steelersrule6

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    He couldn't take his job while he was still on the roster, there's a reason he remained the backup the whole time.
     
  23. steelersrule6

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    Broderick Jones would've been on the bench behind Dan Moore if Fautanu didn't get injured.
     
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  24. steelersrule6

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    Not when the RB has to get most of the yards on their own they aren't rushing for 1,200, I'm not impressed by Warren's YPC with so few carries per game. He can rush 5 times for 25 yards whoopee 5 YPC :shrug:.
     
  25. Blast Furnace

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    Took it and kicked Harris to the CURB!!!! :lolol:

    The market showed what everyone thought of Harris, not much.
     

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