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Najee Harris!

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel the Win on Sunday, Oct 18, 2021.

  1. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    If they drafted OL in the first round they would've ended up with like the tenth best OL player, getting the #1 RB instead was better value IMO.
     
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  2. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

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    Just making an observation of Tomlin and Colbert's M.O.
     
  3. Maddog78

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    The Browns just ran for 180 yards with a no-name 3rd string RB and Case Keenum QB'ing because they have a big boy OL, a top notch OL coach, and a top notch play-caller.

    The Steelers threw together a slap-dash OL, promoted rookie OL coach and OC into their first jobs, and drafted a RB.

    Let that sink in. Organizational malpractice.
     
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  4. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I know you are desperate to sell this narrative, but Harris was the right call. The Steelers correctly identified this year as a draft that was very deep in offensive linemen, so they knew they would have opportunities to get help up front later while no back in the draft could match the value of Harris. The problem was that they waited too long, passing on Humphrey in the second round. I know there is talk that they liked Green better. If that is true, the Freiermuth pick makes more sense, but I question their scouting of the linemen in this draft. Humphrey is clearly much better than Green right now and I think he will still be better in the long term as well.
     
  5. Maddog78

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    No desperation at all, your "counter-arguments" in the other thread, in point of fact, did nothing but support my argument. RBs are fungible assets. You and and a few other Steeler homers appear to be the only people not to understand this.

    Drafting a RB in the first round with so many other holes is as bad as trading multiple picks to move up for an off-ball LB.

    In both cases, the Steelers reached hard for need at position that are far down the totem pole of importance in today's NFL.
     
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  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Once again, you are attacking the poster because you can't win the argument with facts or well-supported opinions.

    You have been well countered by multiple posters, but you refuse to acknowledge those points. You have run from my primary point, choosing instead to try to dismiss me as a homer, which is comical given my history of ripping the team for previous moves such as drafting Edmunds.

    Harris was a first-round talent. The only people who disagreed with that are the ones who won't ever put a running back there. In other words, people who stubbornly cling to a theory rather than evaluating the available talent. That you think Harris was a reach just shows you don't know what you are talking about.

    Based on the arguments you have presented, taking an offensive lineman would have been the reach, taking the position of need rather than the better player. Thank you for providing so much evidence to help me with that.
     
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  7. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    LOL, somebody's telling on himself again. I refuse to acknowledge those points because I roundly disagree with them. Drafting a 1st round RB with holes at so many more important positions, a year before the roster loses even more talent, was a bad franchise building move, and I can't help if you want to swim upstream against that almost unanimous opinion in NFL circles.

    "Stubbornly clinging to a theory" sounds like exactly what the Franchise RB crowd is doing.
     
  8. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Great, now you are doing the Pee-Wee thing rather than trying to carry on a reasonable discussion.

    You claim that the Steelers messed up by reaching for need, yet your argument is that they should have drafted for need. I can't help it if you are so completely outclassed that you are defeating your own arguments.

    You still have no argument for my point that the mistake wasn't drafting Harris. It was passing on Humphrey in the second round. The Steelers made the right call taking the better player in the first round. They were correct in seeing that the depth of this draft would allow them to address the offensive line after the first round. They just waited too long. Take Humphrey in the second round and they would have added the short and long-term building block on the line as well as adding the running back they needed. Of course, acknowledging such a point would cut into your love of hyperbolic, clickbait-style posting.
     
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  9. SteelerGlenn

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    Funny Art II was the team President for our last three Super Bowls
     
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  10. Maddog78

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    Of course I do, not sure how many times I have to repeat it. Draft a more important position in the first round, like CB. They also goofed by not drafting Humphrey.
     
  11. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    While Dan was still alive don't think he didn't have input.
     
  12. Animus

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    I disagree with the notion there's some kinda organizational malfunction. But I will agree that you win games up front. I won't disagree with anyone that says the line stinks, but the line is also hella young. I think they'll continue to get better as time goes. Say you bring in a quality FA at either RG or RT then draft a RG or RT in the first by 23 we should have a above average line to very good line just in time to bring in a rookie QB. By then Najee will be an established RB (we hope) with some veterans behind the rookie QB to ensure he's not over his head.

    I also have serious doubts that Canada is the problem. Every time we run the things he wants to run is when this offense is the most successful, see the Denver game. It's when Ben goes shotgun the bulk of the time is when the offense stutters. The team has a bulk of problems; Ben isn't entirely the problem. I'm just ready to move on.
     
  13. steelersrule6

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    And the Browns got their LT by sucking forever and having a top 10 pick, apples to oranges, the Browns QB is on a rookie contract and they can sign a FA like Conklin.
     
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  14. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The boss Rooney said fix the running game, I think all the top CBs were gone by pick #24, how is Kansas City running game doing with Humphrey?
     
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  15. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Don't draft a RB in the first round is analytics nerd nonsense, I probably wouldn't draft one in the top 10, but late in the first round it's the right move with all the top OL already drafted.
     
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  16. Formerscribe

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    So you counter me by agreeing with me? You aren't very good at this.
     
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  17. Formerscribe

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    They are ninth in the league in rushing right now. Of course, their leading rusher is a back they drafted in the first round last year. :)
     
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  18. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    He is Offensive MVP on team as of today. Only player on team earning his pay check.
     
  19. Maddog78

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    The Steelers spent plenty in free agency, unfortunately too much was spent for guys who will be gone next year. They weren't trying to build a team for the long haul, they thought they could buy a title in 2021. Next year Najee will have a much lesser supporting cast.
     
  20. Maddog78

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    You're being disingenuous now. They should have drafted a corner in the first AND Humphrey in the 2nd.
     
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  21. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    That is your dubious opinion. You were pushing the idea that they should have built the line first, then gone for the running back. No you have shifted the argument to claim they should have taken a corner in the first round because your initial argument didn't work. Running back was also a need. Harris was clearly a first-round value. They could have filled that need and added the building block they needed up front by taking Humphrey in the second.
     
  22. Formerscribe

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    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...-ranking-big-board/1k5tiozjs62rl1k1weni83rroi

    Here is just one pre-draft ranking that has Harris well ahead of Newsome. They had Harris as the 14th prospect overall with Newsome at 33rd, outside the first round.

    Here is another, though this one has them a lot closer.

    https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2021-nfl-draft-class

    It seems even when you move the goalposts, you can't plant them well enough to make your argument hold up.
     
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  23. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    So now you *do* care what is said in NFL circles? You're adorable.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

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    I’d also point out that the Steelers never met with Newsome, he was never in play as a first rd pick. Perhaps because of his injury history, which is playing out right now in Cleveland.
     
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  25. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I never said I didn’t. I said there can be value in going against trends. I’m sorry I haven’t been able to educate you better. My training is on the secondary level. Maybe I will consult with an elementary school teacher.

    To be clear, I’m just proving you wrong in multiple ways. You claim the Steelers reached for Harris and should have taken Newsome even though Harris was rated higher than Newsome. It is just another of your failed arguments.
     
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