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My thoughts on regular season wk 14

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by blackandgoldpatrol, Dec 8, 2024 at 4:26 PM.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    This. Tons of talk about how bad that draft class was, everyone seemed to know it but the Steelers.
     
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  2. mikeyg

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    # 9 - Warren. Harris was getting bottled up. CLE knows how to defend him. 2 nice runs early, then nothing.

    Enter #30 and a new rhythm to the offense for a couple of series. He slips and slide thru those small crack, Najee does not. then, out in flat, anything can happen when he gets the ball.
     
  3. DJ18Baller

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    Teams held off on QBs because an NFL scouting department is better than a bunch of suits and X players sitting around slinging opinions. I’m not saying you are wrong about mocks having him ranked in the first or 2nd round I’m
    Saying they were wrong and the Steelers made a terrible pick. MC as an OC and MT as a HC did him absolutely 0 favors agreed 100% but he was never going to be a franchise guy here or anywhere else.
     
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  4. Formerscribe

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    You aren't the one in this discussion who wanted Willis.
     
  5. Formerscribe

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    It's possible he would have made it to the second round, but far from a sure thing. That the other quarterbacks fell is not relevant. That speaks to how they were evaluated, not how Pickett was evaluated. If you want to argue he should have been an early second-round pick, that's fine, but taking a guy like that late in the first isn't always a terrible idea, especially for a quarterback, because if he does pan out then you have the fifth-year option.
     
  6. Formerscribe

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    Except some of the people doing those mocks were talking to NFL scouts.

    What I was saying is that your claim that the mocks put Pickett in the first round just because they have to put a quarterback there doesn't hold up because so many of the mocks had other quarterbacks in the first round, too.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I never made the claim that mocks have to put a QB in the first. You’re either confusing me with someone else or misunderstood me. I’m just saying the mocks were wrong and that teams clearly had a different grade on that QB class. Which coincides with what critics of that class were saying, that it was the worst in years.

    I also feel that whether it was Pickett or one of the others, Steelers were not leaving the first rd without a QB. Colbert was desperate to set the team up with a successor to Ben. Clouded their judgment.
     
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  8. Formerscribe

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    I wasn't replying to you in that post. I was replying to @DJ18Baller@DJ18Baller, who did make that claim, so I wasn't confusing you with someone else or misunderstanding you. You missed that my post was directed at someone else.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I had an alert that you replied to one of my posts and it took me to that one.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

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    Definitely would have made it to the second round, probably the back end of it.

    Actually it is relevant because clearly no other team in need of a QB thought he was worthy of a 1st rd pick, all of whom had a chance to draft him before the Steelers did.
     
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  11. DJ18Baller

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    They don’t have to put a QB in the first round but that is the most important position and mock drafters will reach to have one included. He didn’t belong plain and simple let’s move on from the semantics of it.
     
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  12. jeh1856

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    A lot of conversation on a guy who tucked tail and ran from competition as soon as he was told he wasn’t going to be handed the job

    You can’t judge the competitive nature in a man’s heart and definitely not in mock drafts
     
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  13. Formerscribe

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    No worries. It's easy enough to miss something like that or misread a post.
     
  14. Formerscribe

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    What I'm saying and have been saying since the draft is that the other quarterbacks falling is irrelevant to Pickett. Hell, if anything it makes it more important to grab him early if you think he's the guy because there wasn't a good Plan B at the position.
     
  15. Formerscribe

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    Great, but what does that have to do with Pickett? We have already clearly established that there was no competition. Wilson was handed the job. Pickett was probably stupid and hotheaded about it, but the evidence does not fit the false narrative that you like to troll the board with.
     
  16. AskQuestionsLater

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    Worse than Jarvis Jones?!

    For me, Kenny is up there for certain. Hell, Terrell Edmunds did a lot more than Kenny and people despise Edmunds. :hmm:
     
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  17. Formerscribe

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    Edmunds was handed a job in very good defenses and was consistently their weakest link. He was put in the perfect position to succeed and failed. So no, I don’t think your premise holds up.
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

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    Pickett was by far a worse pick than Edmunds. Worse pick than Jarvis.

    Pickett is up there with the worst ever, have they ever given up on a first rd pick so fast?
     
  19. AskQuestionsLater

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    Nope.


    Not since Jamain Stephens; circa 1996. :eek:
     
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  20. Steelersfan43

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    Devin Bush was just awful too
     
  21. AskQuestionsLater

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    Devin Bush though had a great Rookie Campaign. That ACL Injury did a number on him in his second season. After that, he wasn't the same.


    Bad result in the end?! Yes. Bad decision to trade up for him with the benefit of hindsight?! Yep. Horrible pick?! Not entirely.
     
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  22. Steelersfan43

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    Yeah good point

    If you look at each first round pick of Colbert from 2000 to 2012,it was great....But after that it was a struggle for him.Some great first round pick like in 2014 and 2017 but also some very bad like 2013,2016,2019,2022,one of the big reason why the steelers have so few playoffs win since that time
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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    Definitely. Ranks near the top. Maybe even heads the list since they traded up for him.
     
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  24. Blast Furnace

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    I think it was attitude and work ethic that ruined his game and not so much the talent level.
     
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  25. Steelersfan43

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    He was so soft against the run....He was a major reason why the steelers had the worst run defense in the NFL in 2021
     
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