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Mortgage The Future Now

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SC Gamecock, Mar 1, 2020.

  1. SC Gamecock

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    On one of Behind The Steel Curtain’s podcasts, Lance Williams makes the case that with Ben having two years left, along with Colbert and Tomlin possibly in their last years, that the Steelers should go “all-in” now, with the fact that there will most likely be a rebuild regardless after Ben retires. This includes trading future draft picks to move up this year if that “IT” player is there...

    I definitely have to agree. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. Stone

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    I can't say anything about Colbert but unless he gets hit by a bus or bangs a dog on twitter, Tomlin isn't going anywhere.

    And I don't know about "mortgaging" the future but I would definable invest heavily in the now while we have Ben and this D.
     
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  3. Disco1981

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    The only way Tomlin would be gone is...He would have to suck this year ( 7-9, OMG not .500 or worse ) He would then MAYBE be put on notice ) Then if he sucked again ( 7-9 OMG not.500 again ) He MIGHT be let go.....But, I still doubt it with Rooney
     
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  4. BigBensBigBong

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    I don`t know about that. The only situation where I think taking a shot like that is justified is when you can get your hands on your franchise QB of the future. For example. Say two years from now we finish a year where the wheels came of Ben and he is done and we have a 6-10 season AND you see there is a can`t miss QB in the draft. Because no team wins it all anymore without a top shelf QB, then in that situation I say go for it.
     
  5. Stone

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    I agree except that even the top rated QB's every year are still about a 50/50 gamble.
     
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  6. mac daddyo

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    What does all in really mean? Do you get rid of pouncey? Vince? Juju? No money for the latter two. Who are the can't miss players? You still have to pay for them somehow. You still have to Replace the players You get rid of. You can't do it all in two drafts. These guys would still be rookies. Maybe Ben is no longer the qb we should be going all in on. Nothing is a sure thing.
     
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  7. Roonatic

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    Ben is Tomlin's only shot at another SB imo. Without his knowledge of NFL defenses & skill set to come from behind, we don't sniff the SB until Tomlin decides to retire.
    Tomlin coaching draft picks up? :roflmao:
    No, they better have it in them to begin with, ala T.J. Watt, Minkah, Ben, AB etc.
     
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  8. strummerfan

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    It only makes sense to mortgage the future if you’re just a key piece or two away from legitimately contending and that piece or pieces are available. In my opinion that isn’t the position the Steelers are in. We need a true #1 wr, #1 te, and arguably a #1 rb.
    They could snag an outstanding wr in this years draft, but the odds are good he won’t be a true #1 until year two. The #1 te isn’t there in this draft. We also have the salary cap situation to deal with. If we lose one or both of hargrave and Dupree we are even further away than the previously mentioned offensive pieces.

    cliff’s notes- No. Do not mortgage the future
     
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  9. BURGH43STEL

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    Bad decision to mortgage the future for a championship. As some have already said you don't know what will happen.
     
  10. BURGH43STEL

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    Tomlin proved he can coach well enough to help this team reach the SB. Every team's chances at a SB hinges on having a good QB and team that plays well enough.

    All players need to have it in them to be coached up. Tomlin proved he can coach up players. Sometimes tunnel vision spoils the view.
     
  11. CK 13

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    Mortgage the future? How about we see if Ben can actually make it through the season.
     
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  12. The Glory Days

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    I think 50/50 is being generous. That would mean that half the top rated qb's pan out. I think it's <25%.

    We're in a tough financial position. We can't mortgage the future when there's no equity in our house. We're going to have to live for a few years and pay down the note we currently have.

    Other than a healthy Ben, our issue isn't with the skilled positions. We need to address the OL. That's our Achilles heal right now. The offense, even with a healthy Ben, isn't going to scare anyone if we can't run/pass block.

    Just like the pass rush benefited from Fitz bolstering the secondary, our skilled positions would immediately look better with another second to get into their breaks or get through a hole.

    We have capable wr's and rb's. Lev Bell looked pedestrian behind the Jets' OL. It starts up front. Fix that and we are a totally different offense.
     
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  13. steelersrule6

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    AB didn't have it in him when drafted, he was a no name WR picked in the 6th round. Not many people had Watt being this good.
     
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  14. mac daddyo

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    not really true. AB had very good college stats. Most don't look to the MAC. I had watt as our 1st pick. Especially with his brother doing watt he was doing in the league. I watched watt he did in college. There are good players at these small schools but teams have to do the research. Kids stay close to home for various reasons instead of going to major programs. :cool:
     
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  15. steelersrule6

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    Still nobody predicted AB putting up HoF type numbers when drafted, Watt was projected to go in the first round, but I saw him paly in college and didn't think he would be this good.
     
  16. mac daddyo

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    Predicting a HOF player in the draft is pretty stupid. :cool:
     
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  17. steelersrule6

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    My point is nobody saw greatness in AB when drafted, most people never even heard of him, I watch a lot of college football and didn't know who AB was.
     
  18. Roonatic

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    Has Tomlin proved it without veteran leadership from the players? ;)
    I don't see it.

    He misses Troy, Farrior, the Bus, Clark, Hampton, Hines, Smith, Faneca. Where are the new leaders to take the helm? Where are they learning to be the leader it takes to go the distance? Cowher is gone. Big Ben? Please...
     
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  19. Roonatic

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    Watch AB in any season, on any team, at any age. The guy is clutch with an attitude problem.
     
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  20. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    AB barely played his rookie season
     
  21. steelersrule6

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    Pouncey, Foster, Ben, Heyward
     
  22. CK 13

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    What people?

    If he was projected as a 1st rounder well...

    TJ has raised his game every year all the while it took 5 years for an average one to make a mark.
     
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  23. Steel Hog

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    No.
     
  24. turtle

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    Ben's health and subsequent performance is the hinge point here. No one really knows how he will perform in 2020 so mortgaging the future right now is probably not the best way to go. If he shows no lingering effects in the 2020 season and expresses a desire to fulfill his contract (2021) then I am putting together what key pieces I can in order to get that last final push before Ben is gone in 2022. My goal in this offseason would be to put the team in a position where they are just one key player or two out from getting to the promised land.
    I am fortifying both offensive and defensive lines and getting players signed that hold long term value (sorry Bud). I'm not mortgaging the future this year but setting myself up for mortgaging the future in 2021. I would want to be in striking distance if Ben is his old self physically.
     
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  25. NY STEELERFAN

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    No way in heck do I want to use draft picks to go all in. We have a QB in his last 2 years and without him we are a pretty bad team. So instead of going all in we just need to find QB2 so if Ben is done we have a back up plan. This talk about us being all done with Ben isn't really true. Our team is young and we finally got a top ranked defense. Get us a good back up QB and we are a pretty good team for awhile. jmo
     
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