Mike Wallace haters

i never said it was his fault.
all i hear from the wallace lovers is that he brings so much to the team with either him producing or opening things up for others. if he's all that, why cant this team score in the redzone or out of it for that matter?

 

What about the catch Wallace made at the end of the GB game the previous year on the sideline laying out in the endzone for the winning score??????

 

So sinnce the team struggled in the RZ, Ben must suck too, by your logic.

 

What evidence? Fuzzy You Tube videos? I went ahead and watched the Bush interception again in HD and I disagree with Snack's assessment. The ball wasn't a "drop" but it was one Wallace didn't make a play on. He alligator-armed it, he and Bush collided, and Bush came away with the football. If Wallace makes a more aggressive play on that ball it is, at worst, an incompletion.

As for numbers, they don't tell the whole story. You know it. We're discussing ability to make tough catches, and you're offering up "drop" statistics. You're trying to show a correlation there, but there isn't one.

 

I am not going to review two seasons' worth of video footage. What I do know is that I have found myself saying, "catch the ball, Mike" or "Go for the ball, Mike" on more then a few occasions. I think many others have too. The most recent was the drop in the playoffs against Denver last January. Nobody has disputed that one.

 

I am not going to review two seasons' worth of video footage. What I do know is that I have found myself saying, "catch the ball, Mike" or "Go for the ball, Mike" on more then a few occasions. I think many others have too. The most recent was the drop in the playoffs against Denver last January. Nobody has disputed that one.[/quote:32zoawre]


There you go! See you did it. You used facts to back up your argument. I'm not even going to call you out on the fact that it wasn't your original argument.(Oops). You don't have to go through two years of video footage. If he's as soft as you say he is you could surely just pick a game and show us right? Or don't go through any footage at all that's fine too. Just don't expect your argument to hold a candle to the people who actually did.

 

I am not going to review two seasons' worth of video footage. What I do know is that I have found myself saying, "catch the ball, Mike" or "Go for the ball, Mike" on more then a few occasions. I think many others have too. The most recent was the drop in the playoffs against Denver last January. Nobody has disputed that one.[/quote:ly0yvjbk]


There you go! See you did it. You used facts to back up your argument. I'm not even going to call you out on the fact that it wasn't your original argument.(Oops). You don't have to go through two years of video footage. If he's as soft as you say he is you could surely just pick a game and show us right? Or don't go through any footage at all that's fine too. Just don't expect your argument to hold a candle to the people who actually did.[/quote:ly0yvjbk]

I mentioned the Denver drop from the get-go.

 

I am not going to review two seasons' worth of video footage. What I do know is that I have found myself saying, "catch the ball, Mike" or "Go for the ball, Mike" on more then a few occasions. I think many others have too. The most recent was the drop in the playoffs against Denver last January. Nobody has disputed that one.[/quote:bqlqydae]


If that's the point you are trying to get across you should have just stated it that way from the beginning. I think you would have got a lot more people agreeing with you, Wallace is one of my favorite players and I'd never try to argue that he's some beast physical specimen receiving god. As we all know he usues speed to have success....but he has good success and deserves a decent contract.....not 10mil a year but we all know that's not going to happen so why get upset about it.
YOu can't be suprised...anytime you come out and say the words soft or over rated for example about a player......it's going to bring out people defending him especially when we're all fans and use the eye test to analye players and not alot of other people see him acting soft on sunday.

 

I am not going to review two seasons' worth of video footage. What I do know is that I have found myself saying, "catch the ball, Mike" or "Go for the ball, Mike" on more then a few occasions. I think many others have too. The most recent was the drop in the playoffs against Denver last January. Nobody has disputed that one.[/quote:3tdu3jj6]


There you go! See you did it. You used facts to back up your argument. I'm not even going to call you out on the fact that it wasn't your original argument.(Oops). You don't have to go through two years of video footage. If he's as soft as you say he is you could surely just pick a game and show us right? Or don't go through any footage at all that's fine too. Just don't expect your argument to hold a candle to the people who actually did.[/quote:3tdu3jj6]

I mentioned the Denver drop from the get-go. [/quote:3tdu3jj6]

I can pull up a Hines Ward drop, doesn't diminish his receiving abilities. What else you got?

 

I am not going to review two seasons' worth of video footage. What I do know is that I have found myself saying, "catch the ball, Mike" or "Go for the ball, Mike" on more then a few occasions. I think many others have too. The most recent was the drop in the playoffs against Denver last January. Nobody has disputed that one.[/quote:1pxzdm3m]


There you go! See you did it. You used facts to back up your argument. I'm not even going to call you out on the fact that it wasn't your original argument.(Oops). You don't have to go through two years of video footage. If he's as soft as you say he is you could surely just pick a game and show us right? Or don't go through any footage at all that's fine too. Just don't expect your argument to hold a candle to the people who actually did.[/quote:1pxzdm3m]

I mentioned the Denver drop from the get-go. [/quote:1pxzdm3m]

I can pull up a Hines Ward drop, doesn't diminish his receiving abilities. What else you got? [/quote:1pxzdm3m]


Could probably pull up a Ward drop from a playoff loss too....or maybe even the SB loss..........maybe he wasn't clutch after all.

 

Can you imagine if Ben's rush TD against Seattle had been called the other way and we got no points out of that drive? Hines' dropped TD a few plays earlier would look pretty bad.

I'm out of this one. People go with their gut all the time. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. It's not for everybody.

 

The QB.

 

Mike Wallace has the most receiving yards in Steelers history by a player in their first 3 years also 24 tds. I will take that type of production anyday even if alot of fans think he's a one trick pony. To the guy pumping up Desean Jackson over Walllace last season Jackson pouted and didn't play hard got suspended for a game for being late to meetings and had alligator arms going over the middle. The only thing Jackson has on Wallace is his special teams play I would take Wallace over Jackson anyday he's bigger and faster doesn't have a attitude on the field.

 

Wallace would have been great on special teams, and was originally going to be our kick returner his rookie season, but was immediately deemed too important to play there.

Yes, calling Wallace softer than Desean is silly in my book too.

 

I think calling him soft in any way is silly. I mean he's not James Harrison or Hines Ward, but he's not soft either.

 

The "soft" part is probably enhanced by the fact that he's holding back from signing, which gives the impression that he would rather sit at home counting his money than getting on the field and practicing. So it's likely not just his on-field actions that are forming people's opinion in this respect.

However, I wouldn't agree with that - I also think that calling him soft is silly.

 

Desean had a horrible 2011 season and it started with his pouting over his contract. Still, the Eagles found it important to sign him. I think we can all agree, though, that in his previous three seasons, he was an exceptional playmaker and dependable receiver (though prone to boneheaded plays). We'll see if he can return to form in 2012.

I'm a little concerned and disappointed in Mike Wallace. He is also heading down the same road that Jackson did, pouting about his contract.

I call Wallace "soft" mostly because of what I have seen as an unwillingness to get the football. He often seems tentative going across the middle and when leaping for the ball with a defender. This doesn't mean he can't make good or spectacular catches (I do remember the finger tip grab last season), and this doesn't mean I "hate" him -- because he is a deep threat like none other in the NFL. But for a guy who disappeared for half of the season in 2011 to turn around and pout over his contract makes me cringe. I think someone else pointed out that the soft label/tag wouldn't be applied if he weren't sitting out OTAs over this and I'd agree: probably not. I don't think any of this would be an issue or that we would be having this conversation if Wallace would shut up and just go play.

 

Who's pouting? His contract is up. He might be restricted, but he's a free agent. It's time to negotiate, and that's what he's doing. Yeah, our other RFAs aren't refusing to sign their tenders, but that's because their names are David Johnson and Ramon Foster. No one involved with the team is upset or stressed about Mike's contract status for a reason. Nothing bad has happened yet, and no one involved expects anything bad to happen. It's just fans and media panicking.

I only really hate it when players "pout" or try to re-negotiate when they still have years left. I believe Chris Johnson did that. I believe Ed Reed's doing that now (or at least posturing to do so). In Wallace's case, he would have had to do that before the 2011 season, and he didn't. There was a lot of talk that Woodley would cause trouble before the last year of his rookie contract, and he didn't. He went ahead and played for cheap and was rewarded the following season, same as Wallace is about to be.

Also, I don't think off-field stuff should be lumped with on-field stuff unless it actually affects it (be it by missed time, suspension, bad locker room mojo or team chemistry, etc.). If you don't think Wallace is soft on the field, don't call him soft on the field. I haven't seen any evidence of it, and if the Bush INT is the best you've got, we have fundamental disagreements on what a receiver's job is, and I'm quite sure I could show you similar plays from guys like Brown and Ward. I think you're fishing, just like the "Mendenhall is soft" crowd fishes for plays where he "dances," and then doesn't say a word when Isaac Redman has an identical play later in the same game.

 

But, he has to first make the big money, right? I mean he isn't broke, but compared to other elite (yes, I said he's elite) WR's he isn't loaded. I bet the young money name came from him. I know that for people who come from meager beginnings it's super important to signify the new tax bracket sometimes. Once that name started getting used, I knew there was going to be a sticky situation in future contract stuff. I don't feel the need to dig up ancient threads where I said so, but trust me I said it. And it ain't over because the next 2 are around the bend. I'm not tooting my horn either, It's not an earth shattering message I decoded, it right there in the name for kripes sake. He deserves more money too, just not what's reported as his asking price. It's classic negotiating in a free market, I don't think anyone should be surprised and IMO upset.

I hope we don't need to go over one more time he decline in stats in the second half. One camp thinks he's soft and a one trick pony that got figured out and the other camp thinks an injured QB, depleted o-line, bad play calling and the emergence of another target that was aided by Wallace's single trick.

We'll see what the team thinks soon enough.

 

I want to bump this sucka...kind of interesting to read the comments back then. What does everyone think now?

 

Whoa! You went searching through the archives for this. Wallace proved once again that he is a one-trick pony with hands of stone, sloppy routes, and very little extra effort if the ball isn't perfectly thrown. He wanted way too much money and I'm glad the Steelers didn't pay him what he thinks he is worth in his fantasy world. He is not a #1 or #2 WR. He is a situational #3 WR at best and he just proved it tonight. I don't want the Steelers to get rid of him but he damn sure isn't worth 4-5 mil a year.

 

My opinion of Wallace has not changed. I thought he was being a diva then by demanding more than he's earned at this point in his career, and I still feel the same way, maybe more so, tonight.

 

The same as I always have...LOL...

 

Mike who?

 

I think if he wants Fitzgerald money he's got some work to do. I'd like to see him re signed but if he walks I really don't think it will cripple us. Those passes he dropped, the elite receivers who make the huge money make those catches.