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Mike Tomlin Doesn't Coach!

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by BK99, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. BK99

    BK99 Well-Known Member

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    We have had this debate for years, Some agree with me while others disagree. I will say that both sides have made good points but there is one point of contention that has now become clearly visible. Tomlin doesn't coach, for years he has been winging it and the last two weeks it is becoming apparent.

    He rode the wave of a good defense that was in place when Cowher was here but when those guys left what happened? For the last 7 years he not only failed to rebuild the defense, it has actually become a joke. This team now needs 30 points per game just to have a chance and 42 seconds in a close game is far too often too much time.

    I believe the winning record is the result of superior talent in key positions and we are now seeing what happens when the talent is gone. We are getting on Ben and he isn't good but look at the dropped passes and look at the receivers, who is even getting open?

    The running game look like it did when the team had the worst o-line in football, and the same issues every week. That is the "smoking gun" so to speak, the issues that never get fixed, even going back before Ryan Shazier there has been communication issues with the defense.

    The game planning was never there with Tomlin, he admitted to it but without any bonafide super stars you need to scheme a bit. Our coach looks to be incapable of doing it for a single game let alone an entire season. Regardless how this season ends up the truth is that Mike Tomlin needs to go.

    I also know that I'm going to hear the "who is there to replace him" argument and I don't know. What I do know is that whoever is out there can't be much worse, any high school coach that would be gifted a franchise QB and top 5 defense would have won early on as well.

    I think he needs to finish out the season and either step down or be fired, no other way as this team needs a fresh look. I think at this point the only flak they will get from getting rid of their minority coach is from Stephen A. Smith but nobody really cares about his opinions anyway so they can take pride in saying only "4" head coaches in over 40 years.
     
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  2. 4124life

    4124life Well-Known Member

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    We know this.
     
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  3. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    So after 12 years it's become apparent that Tomlin doesn't coach? Ok that makes no sense at all.
     
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  4. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    I Like Coach Tomlin. His loyalty will be his down fall. He lets his asst coaches do their jobs and no matter what their job performance is he doesn’t step in to help or make any changes. Butler and Fichtner happen to be long time friends and that trumps their boss/employee relationship.

    He has given Ben too much power and lead way. He can do or say what he wants.

    Cajun
     
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  5. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    Here is where I stand on Mike Tomlin.

    You lost your franchise QB for a length of time.

    We can't run the football and we are struggling in defense.

    We staring an an 0-2 hole.

    The national media makes it out that your a good coach.

    Good coaches do more with less talent.

    Let's see you be a good coach.
     
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  6. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Isn’t part of his job makings sure his coordinators are doing their jobs? They can be friends off the field.
     
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  7. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    lack of talent is going to expose all the coaches this year. If AR3 sits back and does nothing then we are screwed.
     
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  8. KMM

    KMM Well-Known Member

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    I'm not at all sure how much real authority that the Rooneys give Tomlin with respect to coordinators. It always seems that some moves are done at the behest of the Rooneys and the front office, i.e. canning Arians, hiring Butler, Fichtner, etc. Now Tomlin may be in total agreement with these and other staffing decisions, but I don't think there's any doubt that there's some "input" from higher ups.

    One thing I've maintained is that the comparisons to Belichik, i.e. "if this happened in New England, he'd be gone...", are really not valid because Tomlin just doesn't have the same level of authority within the organization that Belichik has within his and everyone knows it. It's just not the Steelers way. Cowher had to really fight to get greater authority which he got by squeezing Donahoe out after the 6-10 '99 season. It may take something like that from Tomlin, but I'm not sure that's a battle he'd win.
     
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  9. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    It is....... and maybe his hands are tied to a degree where he can’t make coaching personnel decisions. Thinking about LeBeau and Arians. Maybe his hands are tied in player decisions/roster building, which would fall on Colbert.

    We really don’t know how much authority he really has at this point of his career but if it’s limited like it’s being possibly proposed what does that say about how his superiors really think of him and his decision making ability. If it isn’t limited and he has the power what does that say. He cut Spencer,Holton,Skipper and kept Switzer, Chick, Chuks, Johnson

    Cajun
     
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  10. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    LMAO at your sig... so true. :lolol:
     
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  11. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    I guess either scenario is a lose/lose. I feel a HC should have a major say with coaches and players. It should be his job to keep or lose. Like you said I’d they don’t have confidence in his decision making,, maybe they should find someone they trust to run the team. I’ve always heard he and Colbert are in lock step with their decision making for the most part. I don’t think they would co exist for so long if they weren’t. Who knows the dynamics but we do know it’s not working right now.
     
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  12. Benny Lava

    Benny Lava Well-Known Member

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    Ever watch Tomlin during the game? Every time they show him on camera he's standing there deer-in-the-headlights look on his face. No communication, no studying film or looking at the playbook. I wonder if his headset is even plugged in or if it's just tucked in his underwear.
     
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  13. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    What’s going to be possibly crazy is, if somehow miracles occur and this team rebounds hard.....the TV goofs will call him possible Coach of Year.
     
  14. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    I think that Tomlin got overridden at times by Colbert and/or the owner in regard to coaching decisions. Any coach that doesn't do what his bosses want is usually out of a job.

    I think the Steelers should consider looking outside the organization for a new DC after this season. A new OC that comes from outside is probably going to face resistance from Ben.
     
  15. Brandon556211

    Brandon556211 Well-Known Member

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    He's crapping his pants right now. With Ben out, he cant even fall back on that anymore.
     
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  17. AskQuestionsLater

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    This.


    Put up or shut up time. We will have to see. This all is under the assumption that Keith Butler can coordinate the defense.


    A MASSIVE if at that.
     
  18. chitown steeler3

    chitown steeler3 Well-Known Member

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    Same look Lovie Smith had on his face in Chicago while coaching. At least Lovie made a great defense, every OC he brought in he let do whatever he wanted, and it showed.
     
  19. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    You couldn't post this nonsense in the other Tomlin threads :facepalm:
     
  20. SteelerGlenn

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    Which one?
    I’ll bet if you go look he’s probably posted the same stuff in multiple Tomlin threads.
     
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  21. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I watch what I see on TV, which is usually no more than a few seconds, and often after a play when he's looking at the replay.

    I've said it before - there's plenty to judge Tomlin on the field for. Drawing conclusions because he's not doing a breakdance every time the camera is on him isn't really necessary.
     
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  22. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    This one is new and refreshing though
     
  23. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Is it really? :beathorse:
     
  24. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Huge difference between NE and Pittsburgh. BB is head coach and general manager. He decides which players he wants and drafts or signs them. Tomlin has to deal with what AR2 and Colbert give him.
     
  25. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Huge difference between NE and Pittsburgh. BB is head coach and general manager. He decides which players he wants and drafts or signs them. Tomlin has to deal with what AR2 and Colbert give him.
     
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