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Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by steel1031, Feb 7, 2015.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Wrong, Wallace didn't become a locker room problem until the end of his contract, when his head started getting to big with his huge payday looming overhead.
     
  2. biggbunch68

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    Thats what i was reffering to. his last season here
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thought you were referring to his whole time here.

    Maybe what Tomlin took away from that ordeal with Wallace and Mendy was don't let it fester, so this time he gets rid of the problem.

    Personally, I think no matter how Tomlin handled it, he'd be getting heat from the fans. :lolol:
     
  4. darcrav

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    just bumping this to show
    how I was the first to want this kid
    I believe their was a lot of "Bell Bragging Rites"

    so here's mine.

    signed,
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  5. Steel_Elvis

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    I've watched a clip or two each on a bunch of the DBs to start getting myself acclimated to them. It's too soon for me to draw definitive conclusions since I may have just seen some guys have off days, but I'm not impressed with the corners or safeties that are projected to go early. There's no doubt that some will end up being good, but there is nobody out there that I consider to be a sure thing. Waynes looks the part, but he's going to need some work (and will probably be gone by 22 anyway). Landon Collins at safety looks like a really solid in-the-box safety, but he's not likely to be anything more than adequate against the pass. Really, the only guy that I think is close to a sure thing is Senquez Golson. However, at 5'9", 176 he may be limited to nickel/slot corner (I think he's a pretty sure bet to be a really, really good nickel). I also liked Kevin White from TCU during the season, but I still need to watch him outside of live game action. Ekpre-Olomu is also really good, but his injury raises at least a yellow flag. We can really use a bigger corner, but I think the better players at the position are the 5'9" guys. At first glance, I think that the bigger corners who are projected to go near the end of the 1st round are 50/50 prospects (i.e. 50% likely to be NFL starters), while the guys projected in the 3rd are maybe 45/55 prospects (not much difference). We'll see if my opinions change on any of them as I watch more film. Right now I would take Waynes if he makes it to 22, but probably not rank any other DB in my top 22 prospects.
     
  6. mac daddyo

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    I agree about not drafting one in the first.

    harris as a safety or rowe as safety/corner tweener. grant, nelson, cox as corners I'm warming to. I think this could give us some good speed, good size and good awareness and good ball skills. there are also some good players later in this draft too Bryce calahan and several others all through the field. I don't think this draft is elite in the defensive backfield, but it's fairly deep with good solid players.:cool:
     
  7. Steel_Elvis

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    To add insult to injury, I think that the edge rush prospects most likely to be year 1 contributors will be gone by pick #22. I really, really want to have an OLB or DB worthy of pick #22 make it that far, but I don't see it being likely. I wouldn't reach for position, and it's not as easy to just "trade down" as some folks like to suggest. I rarely want to trade up in the first, but this may be the year to do it. If a guy like Ray or Fowler slips to a point where we could move up by offering our 3rd rounder as compensation, it could make very good sense to pull the trigger.
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I'd hate to give up our 3rd round pick this year. a lot of good talent in that area.

    I don't put a lot of stock into internet rankings. I argue every year it seem about certain players and get told they are not first rounders. heck back to eric wood, elam, bruce irving, arron Donald, kyle fuller last year up until the end.

    if kikaha is there or Harold or walford or erving or mauldin or several other guys that are 1-2 or even 2nd round rated if they could make us better we should pull the trigger. I'm not sure after the top 10 go that there is a lot of difference in talent that is really a reach on anyone. if they fit our needs and can help us in depleted area's then grab them and move on. the 3rd is full of talented corners as is the 2nd, even down to the 7th as they are ranked on the interweb. do they fit? can they fill a purpose? can they help our team? if yes then do it.:cool:
     
  9. Steel_Elvis

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    Well, I didn't say anything about web rankings. From what I've seen, Ray and Fowler are top notch OLB prospects. They are both plug and play quality starters who could be 10+ sack guys as rookies. Gregory, Dupree and Beasley have more question marks, but have some elite physical traits. I see a big drop off after Ray and Fowler, but some teams may fall in love with the physical potential of Gregory, Dupree or Beasley and push Ray or Fowler to the teens. Unlikely, but if it happens I would not be afraid to pounce. It's not like Steeler 3rd round picks have been sure things anyway. I admit I have to watch more of Harold and Mauldin, but from what I've seen of Mauldin he seems to lack quick twitch movement. I need to watch more of Kikaha, but what I saw of him made me think he could be a big time liability against the run.
     
  10. mac daddyo

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    I posted the tackle numbers of these guys in the OLB thread. it seems to debunk the theory that kikaha is a pass rusher only. it's tough to say out of the group which guy does it all equally, but he has big sack numbers and is second over Thompson in tackle numbers out of all of them. he's doing something right. that's why I'm on the grab him and go wagon.:cool:
     
  11. Steel_Elvis

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    I've learned to consider college stats as less than 10% of the evaluation scoring. I've seen many, many college stat monsters stink at the next level, and I've seen many players with pedestrian college stats become NFL stars. I'll watch more tape if I get the chance, but from what I saw he gets pushed around too easily in run defense and loses contain on the edge. A smart QB or OC would exploit that all day.
     
  12. mac daddyo

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    it's like any other draft, you either take a chance or you find another way to get what you need or go without. we are without right now. if we want a starter we either draft one high, go the FA route or try to go with what we have.

    the stats were simply to imply he's made more tackles than the other so called edge rushers.

    we are used to having our OLB'ers make sacks, that has diminished greatly. we spent near 10 mil last year for 7.5 sacks. it put the pressure on our lack of DB's which we also don't have. at some point you have to make that up with new players. at 22 you have to take whats there or mortgage in another area. it's just as easy to miss on a guy that has mediocre numbers in college hoping for a homerun. :shrug::cool:
     
  13. Steel_Elvis

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    I'm not sure why you seem to keep reading more into my posts than what I actually said. I agree that we need to improve the pass rush. Just because I have reservations about the guy that you like best doesn't mean that I somehow want to ignore the position. However I certainly don't want to toss pick #22 at a pass rusher no matter what. We need to get the best player we can at a position where we can use help. You think that's Kikaha, and I don't (at least not yet based on what I've seen on tape). Kikaha had a bunch of sacks in college, and that's a plus. However it doesn't mean that he's a lock to get a single sack in the NFL. Guys who put up big numbers in college fail in the NFL every single year. It literally happens every single year. I am concerned that Kikaha may be one of those guys. That was my point. I'll try to watch more on him, as well as Mauldin and Harold. However have watched a good amount of Fowler and Ray, and I think those guys are worth trading up for. Especially when I think about what we typically get out of our 3rd round picks. I'll gladly give up our 1st and 3rd for a day 1 starter at OLB.
     
  14. mac daddyo

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    I'm not reading more into it elvis. agreeing in a way. sure ray would be nice. fowler I'm not sold on near as much. that's a long way to move up for one position when we need other positions just as bad is my point. if those guys are gone which I think they will be, do you just wait and hope you find what we may already have sitting there in moats and JJ? or, do you take that shot at a guy that may do a little of everything or one thing you need really well? nobody in this draft is a lock to make it. ray has a foot injury as of now. I'm not all in on kikaha, just a good option that I wouldn't try to wait until the 2nd round to get if they like him.:cool:
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

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    I wouldn't reach for anyone just to fill a specific position need. In my observation reaching almost always backfires. If the 1st round worthy guys are gone at #22, then you've got to go with a different position unless you can find a dance partner to trade down with. While I'm on the Kikaha subject, to my eyes he looks like a near finished product. His pass rush moves look mature to me. I don't know that there's a lot of upside left to develop. He may never again see an opposing tackle worse than the best tackle he ever faced in college. Those are the kinds of prospects that make me nervous, because every college player needs to improve to take the next step. I am intrigued by the little I've seen of Harold, and need to watch more. He looks to have coachable upside.
     
  16. mac daddyo

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    I like Harold a lot and he has the quicks it seems, his field awareness is my concern. he's so quick at times that he takes himself out of plays or out of position. I think kikaha is similar in that fashion but so are a lot of the quickness big sack guys. in college that's what they wanted them to do. bruce irving was like that but they took a shot on him and knew they needed to coach him into a more complete LB, but used his high skillset of pass rush specialist until that time came.

    to be honest mauldin and hunter are probably better true OLB types. more of the worilds mold. can do most things well but don't stand out as a sack master. deion barnes and Russell from purdue have some of those traits too. as a matter of fact there are several of that type of players after the first couple of rounds.

    to finish with kikaha, I think he's good as a pass rusher and I think he could be better as a run stopper. as I watch him I see a guy that has some awareness and is in position to have stopped more runs but he played in a defense that was very aggressive and seemed to not stick his head in there unless needed. I'm not sure that he can't but chose not to more often because washingtons pursuit to the ball was always there for him not to. maybe his way of keeping that knee out of harms way. I've never seen him really buried to often as fowler gets. he seems to be able to hold his ground against tackles in a way of holding up the runners advance stay on the block until that pursuit would soon arrive. :cool:
     
  17. GB_Steel

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    Colbert and Carnell were both on hand to watch Kevin Johnson's pro day at Wake Forest. They also interviewed him at the combine, if I'm not mistaken, so he's probably on their radar for at a minimum their 2nd round pick. I don't think they would pull the trigger on him at #22, but you never know. A trade is always possible if they don't see value at #22 with who they want to target.
     
  18. mac daddyo

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    Johnson and the wake defensive backfield were pretty good. it was probably the best part of their team. KC likes to double up from time to time also. I could definitely see two corners out of this one.:cool:
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

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    I think we will see at least 2 DBs, though it may or may not be 2 corners (We'll try, but won't reach). If K. Johnson is as good as advertised, I'd like to get him In the 2nd. Maybe Johnson in the 2nd and Golson in the 3rd as a double up. I really like what I've seen of Golson - small, but a real playmaker. Think Willie Gay, but faster and quicker.
     
  20. mac daddyo

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    I love golson but his size is the worry on him not his play. I just wonder about the kid from ore. and I won't try to butcher his name as a second option. I'd personally like to see harris the safety or rowe as a safety/corner second option.:cool:
     
  21. GB_Steel

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    Lol, yeah, I always have to look him up on Google to get his name right. I won't this time, so it's something like Emo Ifoku-Oloku? Ehh, I tried. I really like him, and I think he'll recover from his knee injury since he's so young and the modern medicine methods are advanced. He's my #2 CB target behind Rollins.
     

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