Marcus Gilbert's Play

As long as he gets better each season which he has he could grow into an elite RT. I think Villenueva is their future plan at LT since all reports are them and Beachum didn't even come close to a deal.

 

The worst starting OL on the Steelers who has been allowed to have egregiously poor performances is going to develop into an elite RT?

Is this based on his performances vs Rob Ninkovich and one of the two OLBs who stayed with the 49ers?

Maybe a better test would be Dumervil?

 

they can still franchise beach. we will get a lot of dead money back after this year. i wouldn't read much into them not signing beachum at this point.

 

Whatever if you think Adams should be starting over Gilbert your nuts but after your lets take Ben off the field for Vick thread you might just be.

 

But who are you talking about here? The Steelers don't do that, and when it comes to the OL, they are hit and miss no matter what they do, FA or draft. I think they went "bird in the hand" because they know they are playing roulette otherwise. They wanted consistency, and decided that if Gilbert could consistently give them above average play for the next 5 years, overpaying for that is better than cycling in more bad players.

Now, overpaying at WR would be another story. I trust them completely to plug in some new guy.

 

Yes. Adams could start over Gilbert. There would be no drop off. You said Gilbert is/was bad because he didn't get time to develop. At the same time you son't realize Adams is 2 years younger with a lot less game experience. Adams gives up a sack? Bench! Gilbert gives up back-to-back 2 sack games? No problem!

You refuse to acknowledge that Gilbert gave up sacks at a higher rate last year.

A "straw man argument" is when you pretend a person has said something stupid like "Vick should start over Ben" in order to make them look foolish. I said I wouldn't give you English lessons but you need them so badly.

 

Gilbert was the 10th rated pass blocker when it came to RTs last year. Adams has shown nothing more then he could be a 3rd TE in jumbo setting.

 

Also when Gilbert got his new deal he had started 34 out of 35 games and started all 16 again last year. He has consistently got better each year and Adams obviously hasn't shown the coaches enough or Gilbert would not have got his deal. Like you say he couldn't even beat out what you consider a bad RT.

 

Allen got his deal because of Lewis. The Steelers knew they screwed up on that and went on the little bit that Allen had shown them. They did the same thing with Brown. Sometimes you eat the bear and other times the bear eats you.

 

And... Gilbert is a RT because he couldn't beat out an UDFA who is the smallest LT in the NFL.

"But PFF says..." Is that the same PFF that said Tom Brady is not a top 5 QB going in to this season?

Are you confident he will hold his own against Chris Long and Aaron Donald on Sunday?

 

Beachum is a 7th round pick and is a damn good LT who is about to get paid so what's your point? And yes I am confident in him. Also there are plenty of very good RTs who aren't good on the left side.

 

My favorite kind of logic. Boy, the league's LTs sure all turned to crap for almost a decade when that UDFA who'd been cut 4 times terrorized the hell out of them. How do you let some UDFA beat you? That means you're worse than an UDFA.

Yeah, it doesn't mean James Harrison was one of the best players in the league playing at a HOF level. Likewise, everyone worse than Beachum must be garbage, because Beachum's a lowly UDFA - never mind the fact he's a great LT.

 

I feel the opposite about those signings. I didn't like the Allen extension because we hadn't seen enough from him; it felt like a much bigger roll of the dice than Gilbert. I totally fault the front office for that one. Cortez's play had already fluctuated a lot, and he only had like half a season of #1 time under his belt. It could have worked out, but I've always felt it was a pretty big risk, so I'm just not surprised it isn't working.

I didn't think he'd be that bad though...

 

I thought the penalty on Wallace was questionable and could have been a no call. I'm really starting to like Wallace. He's doing a more than adequate job filling in for Pouncey and he's got a mean streak, which I love!

 

Beachum was drafted though given he was a 7th round pick but none the less a pick. This guys reasoning changes to fit his argument.

 

I read a while back that Gilbert said he decided to get into better shape, and that coincides with his overall better play the last few years.

 

Beachum isn't a "great" LT. He is a "good" or "above average" LT. His real value is his modest salary that allows room for the Steelers to pay Gilbert 6 million per year which is more than double what Beachum has made in his 4 year career.

Beachum allowed a sack every 109 snaps last year. Max Starks allowed one every 128 snaps in 2012, allowed 4 sacks in 2009 in 16 starts.

The reality is Beachum is in the same area of ability as Max Starks. I personally think Starks was much better than people said he was. I also like Beachum. He is an amazing overachiever.

I don't think Beachum has any Probowls in his future. If he was a "great" LT the Steelers would have extended him already around 10 M+ annually. Beachum is making 750k annually. He is gone as soon as his contract is over. Walter Jones played for one team, Munoz, Ogden... they were "great."

But please tell me what PFF says, how I'm a terrible fan for not thinking every Steeler belongs in the HOF or that the coaches are infallible.

And apologies for not realizing Beachum was drafted 248th out of 253 players! Totally different than UDFA! Hahaha.

Also, I like UDFA. I own a FWP jersey and a Deebo jersey. Love the overachievers. Beachum's "pedigree" is a little too high for me now.

 

I like Wallace too but he's definitely more limited in his skill set than Pouncey. Once Pouncey gets back though he will provide us with great depth. Does anyone have any guess on Legursky once Pouncey gets back and Wallace has played so well? Didn't Legursky get brought back because of the injury? He can play more than center but he did get brought here for that right?

 

Wow 2nd round pick in his second contract is making more then a 7th round pick still in his rookie deal go figure. Nobody is saying Gilbert is a future HOFer but there are a lot worse RT starting right now then Gilbert. He isn't the turn style he was when he was a rookie and has done nothing but get better every year. He is a solid RT v

 

You said in this thread that Gilbert will be "elite." Elite players go to the HOF.

"Gilbert is better now than he was as a rookie." No ****?

Heyward was not through his rookie contract. The Steelers extended him before it was over like most players they want to keep like Timmons, AB, Ben etc.

Maybe they will extend him who knows? The point is if Beachum was "great" he would already be locked down.

My other point is that teams usually spend on skill positions and save on the guys in the trenches. I really thought that is what the Steelers were doing by drafting C, G, 3-4 DE etc. so high. I was wrong. Interior linemen are going to be the highest paid players on the team. It is what it is.

 

beachum is good because he worked hard to get stronger and is a very smart man. he has mobility and works on that part of his game. he's smart enough to learn when munchak teaches. i have no doubt he will get paid. HOF maybe not but still a good player for us. he's made it on brains and hard work, those are good guys to keep. a lot like al ville.

 

I hope he stays with the Steelers too. He got a huge opportunity with them that I feel a lot of teams would not have offered because so many times the LT is already entrenched. And you are right he is very agile. He plays to his strengths.

 

Great coaching has this guy evolving. As a matter of fact ...the whole oline without pouncey are doing well. Upgrade in a month or so

 

They tried to extend Beachum but from what I read they weren't even close to what Beachum wants. I never said Gilbert was elite I said he could grow into an elite RT. He is only 27 so who to say when he is 30 he won't be one of the best RTs in the game. As long as he continues to improve year to year like he has I'm good with him.