Love him or hate him...He had some moments!

I got the 5-6 plays a game from watching. Sorry that's not enough. Sorry they asked Him 2 play Qb.
What do You want out of Me???
They ran about 5-6 plays a game No Qbs were running at the time.
You have Me all wrong. I'm fine with a Qb that can run. I'm not fine with a Qb that has 2 run.
Honestly ask yourself this.
If Your on D and a team runs normal plays, but the Qb takes off at times when He must....it's that more a problem than knowing everytime the play is kooky that there is a Qb run in the mix???
Just watching the Steelers D play against the different types should be answer enough.

 

This

 

Also C. Gailey was even brought in Tennessee for M. Mariota because of what He did with Kordell. I remember them talking about that.

 

Kordell became his own worst enemy by demanding that they take away his role of Slash and trying to become solely a QB. Yes, he had his good moments but he would have been more successful had he stuck with his role early on in his career.

 

#52 on NE's defense was in position to make the tackle or at least push Kordell out of bounds at about the 33 yard line but his effort was terrible. Glad he pulled up though.

 

If Kordell had any kind of jump shot, he should have been in the NBA, because he threw the best bounce passes in the NFL. Which is somewhat strange, because he may have had the strongest arm in the league when he played.

Anyway, I agree that he was incredibly unfortunate in being way too far ahead of his time. He wasn't a "bad" passer. He was just inconsistent. But everyone needs to remember that there are a LOT of coaches now who are experienced and schooled in developing uber athletic young guys with strong arms into successful quarterbacks. FAR more than there were then. To think that Kordell wouldn't be significantly better today is pretty naive to me.

 

The problem is not the 5 to 6 plays... the problem was taking away his ability to scramble instead of embrassingv it

So we go with your premise of him not reading a defense. Then let him go threw his first read.. second read... if not there pull it down and run.....I do not fault them for wanting him to be better. I do fault them for not doing what his strengths are.

We are seeing it now. Do we think Canada was brought in to change Bens game? He runs an offense supposedly based on a mobile QB... it had zero with improving Ben.

Now the local media is saying we need to see a Mason offense that's tailored to what he does well, that allv previous game plans were designed with Ben in mind.

Bottom line Kordell was a 2nd round pick and played his way into a starting QB spot for over half his career in Pitt.

If you look at the QBs drafted 94 to 98.... its about 50 QBs..... even in hindsight Kordell probably is too 5.. easily top 10

Manning.. Trent Dilfer.. Charlie Batch..Jake Plummer... Hasselback, Steve McNair, Kerry Collins. That's really about it so I'll let others decide where Kordell ranks among his peers drafted in roughly the same 5 year class

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You missed the point badly

I was at the game

I saw the problem

 

believe those sayings came from bens rookie campaign however I could be wrong. I’m sure they were cheating prior as well hahahaha

 

I think Ward and Porter were at the game too.. as well as others close to the action

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Go back and read my post and see if you can find the hint

 

Stewart for his career threw 77 TD's and 84 interceptions. In the playoffs he was even worse throwing 2 TD's and 8 picks. He had a poor career passing rating of 70.7. The third best Steeler QB of all time? Not even close. In my lifetime Bobby Layne was better, Ed Brown was better, Bill Nelson was better, NOD was better, and Tommy Maddox was better. Stewart was so bad that he actually lost his job to Kent Graham for a while.

 

The Patriots cheated. It's not even in question. They were punished in multiple occasions for it. The only thing in questin is how much it changed the outcome

Ward Porter Bettis talking about it

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You are using a different grading system. Statically.. win loss. It's Stewart. You don't have to like it or him.... but when you look in the history books it reads Ben, Bradshaw, Kordell

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Many are here saying he didn't accuracy or threw bounce passes. His main problem was consistency. When he got on his hot streaks he was crazy fun to watch. He just didn't always have that streak when they needed it.

 

Yeah, wasn't like Tomczak or Maddox was lighting the world on fire during that time. Who else Bubby Brister? Comparing highlights fore almost every QB the Steelers have had not named Bradshaw and Ben, it's not even close.

IIRC he was not only facing the changing coordinators, no QB coach, but he also lost receivers each year. Thigpen had his best years with Kordell. Several other WR's did as well.

 

He was not a good QB. It was no one else’s fault. If the first read wasn’t open, he ran. He didn’t do what he taught to do.

You don’t change your offense to suit a player who can’t learn his job.

 

The Ravens seem to be doing ok with it

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Exactly which player are you saying the Ravens have who can’t learn his job?

And are you saying 8-9 and missing the playoffs is “ok”?

We seem to have different standards.

 

1 I'm not saying Lamar can't learn his job, I'm saying the Ravens changed their entire offense to sfowcass what he does well

2 maybe you don't follow other teams.. but in 2021 WITH LAMAR the Ravens went 7-5 without him 1-4 Not sure you can hang the last 5 on him

3 I'm not even saying I like Lamar as a QB. I said several times I would take Kordell over Lamar... but you can't deny his 37-12 record as a starter.

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Wins and losses are a terrible, lazy, and inaccurate way to judge quarterbacks. Take the 1997 season, the first time the Steelers made it to the AFC Championship game with him as the quarterback, as an example. Sure, they won the divisional-round game at home against the Patriots, but Stewart wasn't good that day. He completed 14 of 31 passes for 134 yards, no touchdowns, and one interception. He made one great play, the 40-yard touchdown run, but that was it for the offense. They scored seven points. Do you really think the quarterback deserves credit for getting the team to the AFC Championship game when the offense scored only seven points in the divisional round? The defense carried that team into the conference championship game.

Stewart had very good seasons in 1997 and 2001. Even then, he was too turnover prone.

Your last post brings up the Ravens' record with and without Jackson in 2021. That is part of the point. If you rely on your quarterback to run that much, he is going to get hurt. I'm surprised Jackson made it that long without having an injury-plagued season.

 

Kordell Stewart was a great athlete. His "Slash" role was his most dangerous.
But it became apparent the fanbase and team needed more that those few 'gimmick plays' in a game.
I really wished he would have worked to define his position abilities instead of wanting 'to only be a QB.'
He made things happen when he had the ball. I would have found ways to keep him on the field and lined up in different spots, QB included.
He just wasn't a great every down QB. Defenses knew how to attack him when he was assigned to that spot.
He was more dangerous in mismatches.

Still, Kordell Stewart does have a spot in Steeler lore with many moments like the clip.

 

You guys crack me up.... moving the goal posts constantly

The game is always about wins and losses. ... how many Super Bowls did Ben win? I guess just the one since he played so poorly against Seattle we need to subtract that one from his resume.

Can we look at league MVPs since winning games don't count? Lamar has 1.. .. wait now it is about wins and losses. Because Lamar is 1-3 in the playoffs

So only winning in the playoffs count? Dan Marino is 8-10.. Jim Plunkett is 8-2...

Lamar is 1-3
DAK is 1-2
Watson is 1-2...well yeah but it's a team game... right? So if the dang defenses played better Aaron Rodgers would have more rings....

Wait is it about rings? Then Eli must be better than Rodgers and Marino combined.. right?

Bobby Layne was better than Kordell.. by what measure? Wins losses.. no..td/int? No.. yards? No.. now its the eyebsll test and a different era

Look I think you guys are all misunderstanding me... so let me just clear my stance up

1. I'm not a fan of Lamar, but you can not diminish what he has done, or his presence in the game, and you should give Baltimore credit for giving his skill set the best chance to shine

2 I think Kordell was an average QB. but that does not change the fact that he was one of the best QBs drafted out of 50 over the 5 year period from 94-98

3 I use Kordell as my point in the next QB debate. Very polarizing. People hate him... why? Because he was not THE GUY.. but just a guy, and I agree with that. It fits to the point of its really hard to find a good QB because ...

4 its not my opinion that Kordell is the 3rd best QB in Steeler history. It's history books that tell you that. All time wins 3rd.. TDs 3rd yardage 3rd. You can like who you like. But when you look at the record books it reads 1Ben 2 Bradshaw 3 Stewart

5 Those praying for Malik Willis... be careful what you wish for.... anything less than a lombardi and he will be just another Kordell

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I haven't moved the goalposts at all. Relying entirely or mostly on wins and losses to evaluate a quarterback is lazy and inaccurate.

Stewart had two good seasons, and even during those, he turned the ball over too much. He was terrible in the playoffs. He basically made one play, the long touchdown run against the Patriots, in a game the defense won in spite of the offense.

I want no part of Willis. He has accuracy issues. No thank you.