let's make a poll to understand how this board is oriented , just curiosity (they can do what they w

I voted no.

Tomlin has stated they are not coaching undisciplined play, but that it is still happening. The question is: why is it still happening? Are the players going out and deciding to lose focus? Mitchell himself even said they need to come out fired up and ready at the beginning of the game, and in the 3rd quarter (facing half-time adjustments).

I ask everyone again (posted this twice and nobody has responded): If the coach can't discipline his players by killing them with extra drills and practices (including padded practice) based on the CBA, then what else is he supposed to do? What are other coaches doing?

Another point: The defense is young and needs time to develop into LeBeau's system. Meanwhile they are going to struggle to find their legs, so to speak. While that happens the offense needs to put up 30 points/game. I've stated this before. But why isn't that happening? Heath and AB dropping passes at the beginning of the game against TB. Wasn't at least one (if not both) of those catches a potential 3rd down conversion? AB not catching the flea flicker when he's wide open. Ben overthrowing AB when he was wide open. Ben fumbling. O-Line letting Ben get sacked to hell and back. Not getting a first down on the last possession. Regarding that last 3rd down of the same drive, Tomlin stated that same option play generated more than 10 yards the previous three times they ran it. So what happened? And Ben goes on an interview and denounces Tomlin's assertion that it was an option play. What's that about? The offense has been shored up to support the franchise QB but they aren't putting up the numbers. And I mean the score, not just yardage.

These players are being put in position to win. They aren't executing well enough and often enough to get a string of W's. I find it hard to believe they aren't drilling on these plays in practice. They aren't getting it done, on the field.

 

i opened a can of worms

 

Let me say this about LEADERSHIP. It does not end with the GM, Owner, or HEAD COACH. Players in a locker room need LEADERS, CAPTAINS. Usually these are the veterans that teach beyond what the coaches are dishing out, They help to enforce a band of brotherhood that transcends on the football field.

I have said this before and I will say it again. On offense we have not found substitute leadership for Hinds Ward and Jerome Bettis. I dont think Pouncey or Decastro are the prototype but I'm hoping AB fulfills that role soon. I've never heard much from Heath so I would say nope it ain't him and Ben? Let me just say what I've heard from people in general who have met or come into contact with him, he ain't the most well liked public person (this may have nothing to do with how he is in the locker room but Emmanuel Sanders was trying to tell you something if you read between the lines)

On Defense please enlighten me on WHO replaced the leadership of Farrior? Joey Porter? Aaron Smith? It CANNOT be Troy for else it WOULD HAVE been Troy a long time ago. Most championship teams either have the teammate to rally the troops or just generally play well together as a unit (I thought Anquan Boldin was that for Baltimore on offense then he left and so did their edge. Who's the go to guy with the edge now on offense for the Ravens....Steve Smith) When Ray Lewis and Ed Reed left they still had Suggs....and then they added Dumervil. The Seahawks all rally behind the swagger of Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman and that's why they are the Legion of Boom. There aren't many leaders on this Defense that I can see AND NO James Harrison WAS NEVER a team leader or captain, he was an intergral part of the sum.
Sometimes TRUE leadership cannot establish itself when the old guard is still at the helm (remember the Giants didnt win their Superbowls until they rid themselves of Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey and Eli Manning could establish his on reigns on the team. THIS MAY be the situation with Coach Tomlin and Dick Lebeau. I love DL BUT in this day and age of the new CBA in a WIN NOW league a team cannot afford to have players sit for 2 to 3 years because thats how long it takes to learn a defensive scheme. I have said for many years that its not the Offense that's killing us right now its the Defense (Steelers lead the league in 4th quarter blown leads since 2007 I believe). Had Tomlin fired Lebeau once he became coach and the Steelers struggled on D then the media, fans, and everyone else would have crucified him, BUT I do feel its time to move in a different direction on Defense.........the question is, Is it Coach Tomlins call?
Hard for me to complain about the meal when I'm not sure if the coach was allowed to pick his own ingredients (including players and personnel). That was from a old Bill Parcells quote btw

 

All good points to raise. There have been some very uncharacteristic mental errors this season - Heath's fumble I an earlier game, AB's eye off the ball. Things just need to click better.

 

Why is it so hard to understand that this team is going through a complete rebuild? These things take time and it's exacerbated by limited practice time and the salary cap. I would not be surprised if we're not another season away from having the rebuild finished. We still need a LT and LG, an OLB or two, and at least one CB. If Cortez can't pull his head out of his backside sometime very soon we'll need two at a minimum.

 

and looking their record at draft these positions im not sure they will need only a couple of draft to find the right players

 

JAMES HURST undrafted
started this week

missed opportunity AGAIN

THANKS COLBERT

 

i had him in several of my mocks , before the injurie i had him in rd2

 

There's no reason to believe the Steelers will part ways with Tomlin after or during this season.

 

I hate these stupid freaking lists. They don't say anything worthwhile. Yes, we lost some games, but don't show why. We lose Ben against the chiefs to a major injury and struggle with batch, lefty, and a clearly unhealthy Ben upon his return. Ben was careless with the football early on last year, but somehow that's Tomlin fault. A 10 year supposedly elite qb.

 

Thank you for synthesizing a source of Steeler Nation's frustrations.

MT supporters say "transition" but 3 years is enough. This is a fundamental issue with coaching.

How many times does this need to recur for MT to be deemed an ineffective motivator when it comes to trap games?

How many times does DL's defense need to be proven ineffective at protecting late game leads or generating turnovers?


The point is not that these are losses and we should be upset about losses. The point is that these losses are EXTREMELY similar to one another. 1 year is an anomaly, 2 years is a trend 3 years is a new normal and 1/4 of the way through this season it seems to be a fundamental shift as to what we can expect from MT and DL.



Last point: Blast will say that MT can "win with talent, just wait for the talent" but given that in this organization talent is largely evaluated by the coach and the coach has done an abysmal job of evaluating talent to land us in this mess in the first place, I don't see how we keep him if we miss the playoffs again.

 

You know, I don't know the answer to this. The only conceivable thing I could come up with is to not even practice the gameplan and just make them do conditioning drills during the week. I'm pretty sure every player hates drills. But if you do that, then you aren't ready with a gameplan for that week's game. There has to be some give and take as far as discipline goes. I just don't know what that is.

 

Did they correct the problems they were having last year? Yes, we finished 6-2. Obviously short of the ultimate goal, but we're still rebuilding. THis year? Still going through the rebuilding process, but we have seen improvement through 4 games. Our defense seems to have improved significantly against the run. There's no doubt in my mind the penalty issues will improve as well. Unfortunately that's part of playing younger players with limited practice time. We also lost 3 starters on defense. It sucks, but it has an affect. We were the 4th least penalized team in the league last year and 6th the year before. That's not indicative of a coach that has no discipline nor the respect of his players.

 

Inexplicable failures are part of rebuilding. THis team has some talent, but it also has some big holes. Football is a team sport and if you don't have all the pieces, you're going to lose games. And you're going to lose games that FANS think the team should win. Unfortunately as a fan you aren't exactly impartial in your judgement of the Steelers and their opponents. It's not that we play down to the competition as much as it's we're not as good as you believe and the opponents are better than given credit for.

 

And by "for now" you mean "until the next time we lose". LOL. Just kidding. I'm not really a "fire Tomlin" guy myself either but it must be hard to tell when I'm watching a game because my wife tells people that I don't like him because of how much I holler during games. LOL.