Legit question. How many people who want Tomlin gone also think Pickett is the answer at QB?

Picket had 1.5 games without the ball and chain of Canada. The first game showed a lot of promise. I don’t think anyone can say he’s not the guy right now. It’s just that Rudolph has the hot hands and it would be asinine to change at this point

 

Let’s not forget that we also beat a Jackson led Ravens, a Watson led Browns, a Stafford led Rams and a Love led Packers. All four are in the playoffs

 

You need to see someone on how to format your posts to be more response-friendly. I’m only going to respond to this “I never said anybody but Tomlin” claim since that’s the gist of our disagreement.

You didn’t say “I’d be cool with anyone instead of Tomlin” verbatim but you said it indirectly. First you said that you’d be cool with a coaching shakeup then you rattled off a bunch of names that you’d be cool with them entertaining. The litany of names you mentioned included a range of guys with no coaching experience to recycled names who’ve failed and been fired from other teams. Being so accepting of firing Tomlin and replacing him with such a wide range of candidates with weak and/or insufficient resumes can be succinctly summed up as “anybody Tomlin” in my opinion. The fact that you’d entertain a guy like Schwartz who objectively failed in Detroit says it all. If you’d be cool with firing Tomlin and replacing him with Schwartz then who wouldn’t you accept?

Rhetorical question. If you do respond and it’s formatted like this last post, I’ll just ignore it.

 

When responding to a long multiple thought post I found your format easy to follow

 

Newsflash??? the only newsflash is that you were wrong stating all 3 were on the road. heres another newsflash, the NFL only plays NFL teams...heres you sign

 

1. You managed to respond just fine to the post, not sure why I would need to format my post differently?

2. You are correct when saying I never said "anyone but Tomlin". When you say "you said it indirectly" it shows that you are reading that context into my words despite me (again and again) telling you that is not what I mean. Why does it matter that my "top names" are guys with no coaching experience? Mike Tomlin had 0 head coach experience prior to coaching for us.... He didn't have some superstar resume, and we weren't sure if Tomlin was going to be good or run the team into the ground. He did well, so that worked out for us, but its not like he was a sure thing. I also only advocated for Vrabel of the "recycled names", but added others that would be getting HC job interviews. The thing I shouldn't have to explain is that all NFL coaches either got a job with no experience (and are still coaching their first job) or were recycled names that got fired elsewhere. Look at the teams in the playoffs right now...

Ravens - Harbaugh - first job
Bills - McDermott - first job
Chiefs - Andy Reid - recycled name, fired from first job
Houston - DeMeco Ryans - First job
Cleveland - Stefanski - first job
Dolphins - McDaniel - first job
Steelers - Tomlin - first job

San Fran - Shannahan - first job
Dallas - McCarthy - recycled name, fired from first job
Detroit - Campbell - first job
Tampa - Bowles - recycled name, fired from first job
Philly - Sirianni - first job
LA Rams - McVay - first job
Green Bay - LaFleur - first job

All NFL coaches get their first start somewhere and some of them do a great job. To say you have no interest in moving forward with someone with no coaching experience is ridiculous, as it is far from a guarantee that they are going to be a mediocre/bad coach. As for "recycled names", there are plenty of coaches who failed their first jobs and became really good coaches at a later job. Bill Belichick was a failure coaching the Browns for 5 years and got fired, and is a future HoF'er. Andy Reid was successful in Philly but was a playoff choker, winner in KC, also future HoF'er. Pete Carroll got fired twice by NFL teams before winning a SB in Seattle, potential HoF'er (though not a guarantee). It isn't like there is merit to both routes having potential for success. It isn't a crazy opinion to want to move on to someone that would be a really good fit for the modern NFL and bring a different voice in the room. We haven't won sh*t in nearly 15 years. Now wouldn't be the worst time for it.

3. Don't care. You can choose to engage or not engage with any post you wish, that is on you. Whether or not you like they format in which I post means nothing to me.

 

Thanks. I don't post in that format often, but I found it to be generally easy to follow. I figured responding to each thought/argument individually underneath the paragraph takes the guesswork out of which paragraph is responding to which thought, etc. Won't use it often, but felt it was applicable here. Will continue to use it when it makes sense to

 

That format style certainly doesn’t make it easy to respond to the multiple thoughts point by point though, ma’am.

See the response to the older lady above. I do appreciate you formatting this response in the right way way though

As I’ve already explained, you gave such a wide range of guys that you’d be ok with the team firing Tomlin and replacing him with that the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that you’d pretty much be ok with anybody. You said you’d be ok with guys with no coaching experience and ok recycling a guy who’s failed with another team. That’s as wide of a range as you could get.

Tomlin was hired because the team needed to make a hire out of necessity. I wouldn’t have supported them firing Cowher to gamble on a guy like Tomlin either. Luckily it worked out for the best but usually that kind of gamble doesn’t. The average tenure of a nfl head coach is just 3 years. New head coach hires don’t usually work out. This is why I laugh at the ignorance.

You literally said you’d be ok with the team firing Tomlin and replacing him with guys like Schwartz and Quinn. Even the thought of the Steelers firing Tomlin to replace him with Vrabel is stupid. Why would they do that? What has Vrabel done to make you think he’s a better coach than Tomlin?

I never said that guys with no head coaching experience shouldn’t be hired. I’ve challenged the thought that Tomlin should be fired and replaced by a guy with no experience or by a guy who’s failed with another team. Filling a vacancy out of necessity by gambling on a young up and comer who you see potential in or a recycled guy who you think has learned from a previous head coaching opportunity is different than firing your current hall of fame coach in the 2nd year of a rebuild after you’ve just made the playoffs, to gamble on one of those type of guys though. For every guy that you’ve named who’s been successful at his first job with no head coaching experience, I can name at least 10 who weren’t successful. The same with coaches that get recycled. For every Pete Carrol there’s plenty of examples of guys like Jack Del Rio, Herm Edwards, Gary kubiak, and etc who have failed with multiple teams. This is what y’all don’t get. Firing Tomlin and replacing him with a coach just as good or better is a long shot bet. The odds just aren’t good. Again, the average nfl coach only lasts 3 years.

I see you changed that format style up though didn’t you? You sure did.

 

Tomlin should not be renewed. It’s been 18 years, it’s enough. A coach and his message can become stale. And to me that message has not been very good since 2011 anyway. If he doesn’t want to be a lame duck for his last year - goodbye.

we still need to see what we got in KP, I think he needs a shot under a good coordinator. Re-sign MR to a nice upper tier backup contract as insurance

 

DAB

 

Only 5 voted for the most probable, Tomlin stays and Pickett is #1 going into 2024 campaign.

 

New guys and recycled guys aren't a wide range, they are the only two options. I listed one recycled guy that I advocated for and a couple that "could be entertained". I also listed two guys that I would advocate for that have 0 HC experience.

My literal wording was "Of the guys that are older/have HC experience, Vrabel would be a great choice. Dan Quinn, Jim Schwartz, and Brian Flores all could be names that are entertained". COULD be ENTERTAINED. Potentially someone the organization could interview... You read more into the words than existed. Only coaches I advocated for in any way were McDonald, Slowik, and Vrabel. And of course there is risk involved, I never stated otherwise. My POV is that Tomlin has won 3 playoff games since the 2010 season ended. That is a long time with a lot of very good teams that ended without hardly a sniff at a championship. The conclusion is that we are likely done winning championships with Tomlin at the helm. So why not start trying to find the "next guy" we will win with? We might not get it right the first time. Odds are we wont... but this whole exercise is done with the assumption/opinion that Tomlin has won his last SuperBowl in Pittsburgh and it was 15 years ago. This is a SB driven city, and we're spoiled for it, but its the way that it is.... We can let go of a guy that has been mostly average the past 13 years (we've either been a mediocre team that hangs around the playoffs, or a really good team that flames out early in the postseason), and take a shot on someone we think can be great going into the future. We have the shell of a very good team right now. A good move or two (or simply just a competent QB) could put us in contention.

And I didn't intentionally do anything different... Your first post had like 7-8 completely separate thoughts to respond to, thus the change in format. The last post I responded to had 2-3. The other format wasn't necessary in that case. But you can go on thinking I changed it special for you if you'd like

 

It is a "what would you do?" poll. I know that Tomlin is going nowhere and neither is Pickett. Its a pure hypothetical. Of the two, I'd rather keep Tomlin. I'd much prefer a Pickett-less Steelers team led by Tomlin than a Pickett-led Steelers team of any kind.

 

Wrong,,, the most probable is Tomlin stays & Rudolph isbthe starter but that wasn't the option... Pickett will make a nice backup...

 

It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

I think we will keep MT. QB’s Rudolph, Pickett and #3.

And like someone just mentioned have a massive coaching change down the line.

 

Uhhh....not enough smarta$$ used in your response. Should have been way more.

 

No freaking way Trubisky is still on this team. I would fire The Owner, GM, HC, and the water boy if that happens.

 

I get tired of saying this, but You know during the regular season....it's impossible to play solely against a teams 2nd stringers. You know football. You should know this.

 

You really think this team is good enough to be the #1 seed? Even if they won those three games they lost to those bad teams, I doubt they would've won those last three games at the end.

 

It would be McSorley, Pickett and dead cap money cause Rudolph probably will find somewhere as a FA. Better draft a very high round QB next year. Probably need to do that anyways. I just don’t think we’re going to let Trubisky go with that plan in mind.

 

Really believe Mason will not be a Steeler in 2024. Should he re-sign with us training camp will be a lot of fun to see who wins the starting position. Even if Mason would take us to the SB the Steelers will give him and Pickett the same shot at the starter position.

 

Tomlin isn’t getting fired. I’m still taking all bets.

fixing the QB problem is our biggest problem.