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Last losing season for each team

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Aug 11, 2021.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    They were completely out coached, Reid stuck to his game plan that shredded teams all year even know he had multiple changes to his online right before game day. Tampas pass rush easily exploited them and Reid made no adjustments.

    https://franchisesports.co.uk/andy-reid-outcoached-arians-super-bowl-lv/
     
  2. Rel

    Rel Well-Known Member

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    Same **** was said about Cowher in the late 90's.
     
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  3. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    Then Dan gets him HOF protege Ben & Cowher knows how to coach him. Ben needs a Cowher. :shrug:
     
  4. BowToTroy43

    BowToTroy43 Well-Known Member

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    You are not really saying anything profound, here. Every team would take what the Patriots have accomplished over the last 20 years instead of what they have. That is a no brainer. And even though you say you would take losing seasons thrown into the mix, up until last year their streak was longer than ours as they had 0 losing seasons from 2001 to 2019. In other words: Very good teams are consistently good and I doubt they would have won 6 chips if they went 6-10 half the time. How can you take the success of a team while modifying their results? Cherry picking history does not work.

    Not simply downtrodden teams but arguably every other team in the league besides New England would take our past 20 years over theirs. We have won the second most games and are tied for the second most Super Bowl appearances and Championships. Only one other franchise has been more successful than we have. Do I want us to win more championships? Of course. However, applauding the fact that your team wins more than it loses does not negate that. Or do you think you may as well go 0-16/17 if you do not win the Super Bowl?

    You say you would take the Pats' last 20 years, but would you take their previous 40, too?
     
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  5. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    Having visited the Browns Board their fans are hoping for their "Noll moment" with the young franchise (i for one can't give the current Browns any credit for things that happened when the Ravens played in Cleveland).
     
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  6. BURGH43STEL

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    So the Chiefs were put in a tough spot due to injuries but they were simply outcoached? Reid was supposed to make wholesale changes to the game plan right before the game? That's what you are saying? Coaches have no choice but to implement the game plan that was teached and coached to the back up players all season.

    Very little adjustments in the world make up for the lack of talent. Especially right before a game. I believe players are most comfortable executing what they were teach and practiced.

    What was Reid supposed to do? Change drastically from the formula that brought the team success?

    Teams can't hide weaknesses in the NFL brother. When weaknesses play better than the opposition expects it can throw a wrench into the plans.

    So I disagree that the Chiefs were simply out coached. People are always good at pulling the MMQB routine. Should had done this or that. When the oppositions performs better no MMQB will matter. Especially when considering the team hurts itself with mistakes. I showed the mistakes (Turnovers and Penalties) the Chiefs committed that hurt the team.

    The way I see it is that Mahomes and the Chiefs didn't make the plays they normally made during the regular season. They had opportunities.

    The loss was compounded by Chiefs mistakes, turnovers, and the Bucs played well and EXECUTED their game plan better than the Chiefs. That's sports.

    Blame coaches, blame injuries, or whoever you want. Games are generally won or loss on the field during game day with execution.

    If the Chiefs Oline couldn't block the Bucs front 7 what would you do? Implement a game plan similar to the Steelers with Ben's quick throws?

    What if the Chiefs were not comfortable with that approach and didn't practice it all season? Do you stick with what brought success or try something new/different in the biggest game of the season?

    MMQB at it's finest. The simplest solution for every one is to limit mistakes and play better.

    At the end of the day it boils down to how well you play. Players don't play well then everything will be MMQB.
     
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  7. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    How about just the last 11?

    See, since 2010, we've done nothing but embarrass ourselves in January. That's what I'm getting at. No. You don't have to win the SB or might as well go 0-16. Nice straw man. I used the Pats as an example not just because they won SBs, but because they RARELY get embarrassed. Sure, they lose on occasion. But I struggle to recall them ever getting Tebowed, or one and done, or getting thrown on with impunity having receivers open with nary a defender in sight. Or looking like they forgot how to even play the game. Losing isn't the issue. You're going to lose now and again. But when you lose because the team completely falls apart, plays horribly, or quits, that's shameful. And that's our last 11 years.

    Yes, post season success matters! And it sure as hell matters more than regular season success. Since 2010, we've made the playoffs 6 times. 4 times we were one and done, including losing to the likes of Jacksonville and Cleveland! The only real run we made was in 2016. We barely squeaked by Kansas City in a game where we didn't score a single TD, and then promptly got our butts handed to us by NE in a game where we might as well not even have fielded a defense as open as their receivers were. Giving up 180 receiving yards to Chris Flipping Hogan! That's almost as embarrassing as giving up 316 passing yards to Tim Tebow on only 10 completions!!! Are ya kidding me?!?! The only other playoff win we have is against the Bungles who LITERALLY gave the game away. We didn't deserve that win. Don't get me wrong. I'll take it. :)

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to actually make the playoffs first. And Tomlin does just enough to get there more often than not. At some point, it has to pay off. At some point, your regular season needs to translate to the post-season. All I'm saying is going on a steak like this is nice, but our standards should be higher than crowing about not having losing seasons.
     
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  8. Roonatic

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    Browns fan visiting their trophy case.
     
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  9. SteelerGlenn

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    Yes the Chiefs were out coached. Was that the only reason they lost the game? Obviously no, they had some injuries also.
    I’m not sure what this nonsense is you’re talking about with sticking to your same game plan all year. Game plans change per game.
    You game plan and scheme to exploit perceived weaknesses of the opposing team. You make in game adjustments when things aren’t working well.

    Some coaches let their arrogance get in the way. They think they’re going to do what they always do and just line up and beat the other team. Doesn’t always work that way.
    And this was one of the biggest knocks on Andy Reid throughout his career until he finally won a Super Bowl in Kansas City. Tomlin is guilty of it a lot of the time. Cowher was guilty of it at times.
    Coaching is not always about just lining up and saying my players are better than your players. It’s a cat and mouse game. A good coach finds a way to stay ahead of the curve, exploit another teams weaknesses, and find a way to outsmart the opposing coach.
     
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  10. Maddog78

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    "Next man up" sure sounds cool and beats all of that hard game-planning stuff, but it generally fails because the next man is never as good.

    Luckily for coaches, the media covers for you and blames injuries and most fans lap it up with a spoon.

    Coaching matters and we're almost never on the right side of that equation, which is why we need a stuffed roster to even make the playoffs.
     
  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Reid was too arrogant, they should've tried to run the ball more IMO.
     
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  12. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Nick Foles says hi :shrug:
     
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  13. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Or Ben needs to stop turning the ball over in the playoffs :shrug:.
     
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  14. Maddog78

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    Agree with all of this, and don't think for a minute that players don't know when they're not prepared, that's what leads to flat, timid showings. Noll said you motivate by preparing players to succeed. You're motivated by going into Sunday knowing you are going to do your job well.
     
  15. Maddog78

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    Fallacy of the counterexample says hi. :shrug:
     
  16. steelersrule6

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    Blah, blah, blah, I destroyed your argument about the next man up not being better, Foles beat Brady and was MVP :shrug:.
     
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  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Read the article, that’s why I posted it. All explained in there, not wholesale changes, coaches make adjustments all the time.

    How can anyone look at that game and think Reid didn’t blow that.
     
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  18. Maddog78

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    My grandfather smoked four packs a day and lived to 91 therefore smoking isn't bad for you.

    Am I doing it right?
     
  19. Roonatic

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    Cowher wouldn't have Ben throwing 35 times a game because Ben wants to, just sayin. 35 times if needed, maybe.
     
  20. Roonatic

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    More like Reich besting the hoodie imo. :shrug:
     
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  21. hmmmmm

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    Coaches can get the most possible out of their players which Tomlin does NOT. Ding ding
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Probably his best coaching season, what are you talking about. He had that team 8-5 at one point with Rudolph and Duck freaking Hodges.

    You literally have a season without Ben to reference and you are saying not to use it.

    Steelers fans: “Wait until Tomlin doesn’t have Ben!”

    (Has a season without Ben and still doesn’t finish with a losing record.)

    Also Steelers fans: “Yeah but don’t count that one!”
     
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  23. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Cowher had a running game, Ben didn't need to throw 35 times a game, in 2020 the Steelers finished last in rushing Ben needed to throw a lot.
     
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  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Foles still had to go out there and perform, and he did.
     
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  25. hmmmmm

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    Sustained success is what I want to see. Otherwise Nick Foles would be in the HOF. It was one year and you are bragging about 8-8.
     

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