Last losing season for each team

Yeah because them losing the turnover battle 5-0, had nothing to do with them losing to the Browns in the playoffs .

 

You don't know football if you think Elway was overrated, he took some bad Denver teams to the Super Bowl three times, Elway is a top 20 all time QB he had a great arm and scrambling ability.

 

It’s been a characteristic of both Tomlin and Cowher teams to often seem to stick with what’s working then get caught out in the play offs.

The last AFCCG against the Pats was the perfect example. Bellichick takes a gamble by going 4 wide and no huddle; Steelers take too long to adjust.

It’s no coincidence that the Steelers fare better when they’re getting creative and pulling surprises out the hat. The SB40 run was very clear with that.

 

True dat, Belicheat doesn't win those SBs without Brady.

 

Ben played awesome in 2005/2008 and made clutch plays when needed. Defense backed him up


Now it’s opposite

 

I guess it always looks that way when players don't perform. I think that getting out played happens more than getting out coached at the professional level. Where do players mistakes fall into the equation? I don't believe for one minute that coaches preach for players to make mistakes.

Maybe some coaching techniques cause players to commit penalties? For example, grab a WR if you are beaten deep to prevent a TD. Grab a WR hand if you are beaten. Better to have a penalty than to give up a TD.

Mahommes and the Chiefs didn't make the plays they "normally" made and the issues were compounded by turnovers and penalties. Coaches don't commit turnovers and penalties.

I wish we all had access to the game plans so we could have a clearer understanding where the coaches failed. We don't so we are left to assume or we can focus on the execution where most games are won or loss.

 

He looked like a horsefaced HOFer in Cleveland one year...i was pissed for Marty Schottenheimer.

 

11 penalties stinks of unpreparedness.

 

The last Superbowl the Steelers won they were +1 in turnovers & had less penalties. Steelers penalties 7-56, AZ penalties 11-106. AZ out produced the Steelers 407 yards to 292 yards. Final score Pitt 27 - AZ 23.

The last Superbowl the Steelers loss they had 3 turnovers and penalties were almost even (Pitt 6-55, GB 7-67). Final score GB 31 Pitt 25. Turnovers turnovers turnovers.

Regardless of final scores, turnovers and mistakes influence the impact of games more than any other factors. It's simple in my mind. When you have top coaching and teams turnovers and mistakes are usually the key factors. Sometimes the better team just won that day.

Teams can have the best statistical defense and offense in the league. If the offense is careless with the football and the team makes mistakes than that team is likely so lose.

We witnessed the Steelers lose to an expansion team the Texans under HOF Cowher because the Steelers turned the ball over 5 times. The Steelers dominated that game statistically. The Texans had 47 yards of total offense. The Steelers had 422 yards of total offense. Steelers had 39:41 TOP. Texans had 24 first downs, Texans 3 first downs. Steelers 8-23 on 3rd down. Texans 1-12 on 3rd down. Steelers loss the game 24 to 6.

Football is a game about execution and mistakes. Anomalies happen but over the long haul this is true. This thing about turnovers and mistakes is true over the long haul. Teams that limit turnovers and mistakes give themselves a chance to win.

 

That's not true. Players can be prepared and still lose their share of battles. But if that's what you believe so be it.

 

Coaches can out scheme other coaches and force mistakes. I’m not arguing that players don’t make mistakes cause they certainly do. Just saying coaches (Tomlin specifically) sometimes are out coached. It happens sometimes to the best coaches. When it becomes a trend that’s a problem.

 

Unfortunately it is true. A prepared team limits its penalties. Sometimes you get a losing battle but 11 times?

 

Agree.
To completely absolve the coaching staff of any responsibility for those penalties is just silly.

 

I don't disagree with you that coaches get out coached or out schemed. When it happens consistently then there is a coaching issue.

Now do you think the Steelers mistakes ie turnovers were due to being out coached? Pouncey snap fumble? Ben's passes? DJ not catching a tipped ball that resulted in an INT? Player beaten one on one to cause a strip fumble or errand pass?

Let's be reasonable when determining the player mistakes/poor execution vs preparedness.

 

How do you reach the conclusion that it's coaching vs simply the player? When the team can no longer compete and win?

That's what it will probably take for the organization to move on from Tomlin.

 

I’m not saying it’s only coaching. I’m saying it’s a combination of both lack of execution and poor coaching.

 

I disagree with you that the Steelers were/are a poorly coached team.

 

I think Pouncey’s fumble can go both ways. Could be considered lack of execution or could it be the coaching staff giving players days off all the time. I’m not sure which one it is for sure.

 

I’m not saying they’re alway poorly coached, just that it does happen at times.

 

That snap turnover was 100% on Pouncey. 1 snap out of hundreds. He was an experienced professional player. Players make mistakes. Rookie you might give a pass. Not on that play.

 

I don't disagree with that assessment.

I believe player mistakes costs this team more opportunities to win more in the post season than the coaching. I know what turnovers and mistakes mean to the out come of games regardless of final scores, defensive efforts, offensive efforts, coaching ect.

 

When Tomlin has the team creating penalties at a 10+ clip, he will be on the hot seat because his team is not prepared. Tomlin is too good of a coach for that to happen imo.

 

Tomlin is always on the hot seat. It's the nature of being a HC at the highest level.

Tomlin will lose his job when the team is no longer competitive or the team loses consistently.

As a fan, I can appreciate that Tomlin has a passion for his job. I believe the Tomlin was "hurt" by the loss to the Browns. All the countless hours he puts into winning. I don't now man but until Tomlin loses consistently I don't see the organization moving on from a top 5 to 10 coach.

Sometimes the pieces around the head coach need to improve and the players need to perform better.

I don't think Steelers fans will appreciate Tomlin until he's gone. Same as with Cowher.

 

So Tomlins great run of regular seasons is all TOMLIN not the players but when the Steelers lose nothing to do with TOMLIN??

Do you hear yourself??!!

My biggest Beef with TOMLIN is he comes up smallest in the biggest moments. Guy can’t win a big (playoff) game anymore.

 

My biggest beef with Tomlin is that he has been figured out.