Karl Joeeph

In Georgia?

we do have unions here in Georgia, but they don’t have anywhere near the power as other states. Georgia is a very pro-business state. It’s not a pro-worker state.

 

works pipeline, mixes mortar, flags traffic, works highway construction, plus what you are saying. plus they have an annuity, retirement, health care plus good wages. anything over 8, show up pay if rained out they get paid 4 hours. anything over 40 is time and a half, double time on holidays.

 

Yeah I believe that’s a right to work state.

 

Yeah in a lot of cases it makes more sense to go into one of the trades then it does to go to college.

 

If a kid goes to a trade school now, they can make a very good wage

Particularly a welder

That’s in PA

 

As Glenn mentioned Georgia is a right to work state. In right to work states wages are a fair amount lower than others.

 

so is ohio and WV and that's where he works and makes that type of money.

 

Ohio is not a rtw state. WV enacted their Rtw in 2016. If their contract hasn’t expired yet then the rtw have no effect.

 

wages are lower down south

 

Public schools should be pushing trades as much as they do colleges. I don't know, maybe they do?

My BIL is a salesman representing several home improvement contractors is the Pittsburgh area. He told me the average age of a journeyman carpenter here is 48. At a dirt track race a couple of years ago, union reps approach my buddies two teenage sons about careers as carpenters.

Auto techs, electricians, HVAC, machinist/tool & die makers can and often do out earn college graduates with run of the mill associate degrees. Many go on to run their own businesses. The trouble is getting teens/young adults to buy in.

Sad part is, I've been asked to train young adults that can't read a rule to operate machinery. No foundation and no desire to learn. If they can't do it with their phone, they're not interested.

 

Fractions? Yuck, unless it involves hand size.
I learned grams and ounces etc in school

 

Your avatar pic almost made me spit out my coffee

 

What I do, or did. Been good every state I've been in.

 

So is the cost of living. Like I mentioned before. From Chicago 2 Fort Smith Arkansas.....1200 dollars cheaper a month just on rent at that time. Big difference.

 

People complain about the union and always cite having to pay union dues. I’ll gladly pay $50 a week to make twice as much per hour. Not to mention the health insurance and pension.
We have 30 years and out. I can draw full pension in about a year if I want. If you do you can’t get another job in any union while drawing your pension.
Im only 51. Way too young to retire. I’ll continue for a while and build my pension up some more.

 

https://www.blr.com/HR-Employment/Unions/Unions-in-Ohio

https://ohio.lawi.us/right-to-work-law/

https://www.cleveland19.com/story/3...s-rights-you-dodont-have-as-an-ohio-employee/

https://www.findlaw.com/state/ohio-law/ohio-right-to-work-laws.html

technically no but quite a number of similar laws of right to work states. also in the bidding process for companies on public works and tax payer paid for projects. they do not have to be union shops to be awarded bids.

ohio walks a fine line on both sides of this issue.

 

It depends on the strength of your union, too. My wife was a union worker for years. When they closed her shop and moved her job 70 miles away, her union was powerless to stop it or to offer alternatives. Her overall experience was that her union was useless. Others I know have had very positive experiences with their respective unions.

 

It's same here in Florida. Contractors cant find laborers to work at all. No one wants to work with their hands. They are offering like $18 an hour to just exist on a jobsite and still cant find/keep people. If you develop a useable skill at all you make way more. Foremen are over $35 an hour, the top foremen at the biggest companies can make over 100k. PM's make over 80k starting (over $100 if you're good), estimators are the same thing. There's crazy money to be had and there's no state income tax here to boot. I would totally be okay with my future child forgoing college for a trade if they wanted to (assuming that they are a hard worker and not just skipping college bc they're lazy). Opportunity for good money student debt free? sounds nice.

 

I'm 32. I would immediately quit if my job unionized. I have zero interest in ever working for a union, nor if I owned a business would I ever hire union workers.

 

why not?

 

There are good unions and bad, just like the world. I had service union workers working for me and had 53 grievances in 6 years. I won all 53. They hated me. I later spent 6 1/2 years having teamsters work for me. The employees and the union officials were fantastic. Anything could be worked out with a friendly man to man discussion. With the teamsters I had zero grievances and the union threw me a retirement party.

 

To each their own.

 

Laborer’s unions in the major cities tend to be strong. Unions aren’t for everyone. I consider myself a company guy who’s happens to be in the Union. I’m in my 30th year with the same company. I’ve been very fortunate.

 

My Dad was from Arkansas His mother moved them to St. Louis for work when he was a kid. The trick is to live in a rural area outside a major city and commute.

 

I’ve seen the good and bad in unions. Really just like anything else in life. My biggest problem with em were the instances where they don’t listen to the objections of the hands come political times and except the clout of their afforded endorsements against the will of said hands. Never good…